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Weak-Kneed on the Health Care Mandate
New York Times ^ | December 23, 2013 | DAVID FIRESTONE

Posted on 12/23/2013 5:12:08 PM PST by reaganaut1

If the website malfunctions in October and November were infuriating to supporters of health care reform, the continuing parade of delays that followed it have simply been depressing. They have contributed to the impression that the Obama administration is desperately trying to keep the new system from spinning out of control, countering the good news that 1.2 million people have signed up for insurance through the federal and state exchanges.

The enrollment numbers have been rising every day in anticipation of the deadline for obtaining coverage, which was supposed to be at a minute before midnight tonight. But, as the Washington Post reported today, the deadline was postponed for 24 hours. The administration was worried the website would be overwhelmed by a last-minute surge in enrollments — hardly a sign of confidence.

The delay comes a few days after a far more troubling announcement last week, when the administration said that people whose insurance was cancelled would not have to sign up for coverage and would not be subject to the individual mandate penalty next year. That exemption could apply to as many as a half million people who lost their policies but not have not yet signed up for a new one on the exchanges.

There have been many other delays and postponements due to the inept rollout of the health law, but last week’s was the first to begin chipping away at the individual mandate, the heart of the whole system. The penalty aspect of the mandate for those who refused to get insurance — the subject of last year’s Supreme Court debate — was not terribly onerous, at least for the first few years, but was designed to be a psychological shove towards coverage.

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TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: obamacare
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1 posted on 12/23/2013 5:12:08 PM PST by reaganaut1
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It’s now everything to everybody.

There are so many waivers, delays, exemptions, and incentives only the added 15,000 IRS employees can define what it is.


2 posted on 12/23/2013 5:16:30 PM PST by nascarnation (Wish everyone see a "Gay Kwanzaa")
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To: reaganaut1

what?


3 posted on 12/23/2013 5:19:06 PM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: reaganaut1

We’re falling from a 100 story building and we’re 99 floors down. All is well so far.


4 posted on 12/23/2013 5:20:27 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: reaganaut1

I just find it interesting that the website itself. It is almost like Divine Intervention to keep this from working. Websites are made everyday and this one can’t.


5 posted on 12/23/2013 5:21:34 PM PST by NotchJohnson
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To: reaganaut1

Happy , Happy, Happy that 1.2 million people have signed up before tomorrow the last day.

Lets see 30 Million people had no insurance so we passed Obamacare for them.

13 Million people had their insurance cancelled.

That looks to me like 43 million people.

And this Socksucker is happy that 1.2 million have signed up? What kind of Screwed up math is that?


6 posted on 12/23/2013 5:21:47 PM PST by Venturer (Half Staff the Flag of the US for Terrorists.)
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To: reaganaut1
In fact, most people will be able to find better policies on the exchanges, though some in the middle class and up will have to pay more.

Most...better...some...more, etc.

The capacity of these liberal creeps for self delusion never ceases to amaze me.

7 posted on 12/23/2013 5:22:55 PM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Venturer

Libtard math. Nothing adds up.


8 posted on 12/23/2013 5:23:19 PM PST by Howie66 (Molon Labe, Traitors!)
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To: reaganaut1
the continuing parade of delays that followed it have simply been depressing. ...

Good, stay depressed and stay home for election day.

9 posted on 12/23/2013 5:29:02 PM PST by VRW Conspirator ( 2+2 = V)
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To: Venturer

In the liberal/progressive world, 1+1 does not necessarily equal 2. It is whatever you want, as long as you can put down a justification for your answer.


10 posted on 12/23/2013 5:30:41 PM PST by Moorings
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Assuming that those 1.2 million actually HAVE health insurance come 1/1/2014 (which is highly doubtful), then obamacare has caused a net loss of at least 5 million families that HAD insurance before obamacare but had their policies cancelled by obamacare.

Right now is just the lull before the storm, because in early 2014, horror stories will start emerging about people with obama-cancelled insurance not being able to continue their chemotherapy, dialysis treatments, trauma patients being denied care at designated trauma centers and hospital emergency departments being swamped with people unable to see their doctor.

This will start happening in January, become a deluge in February, and turn into a tsunami of death by March 2014, at which time voters will start hunting Democrats down in the streets with pitchforks and dogs. And a well-deserved hunt it will be too, because people are going to die as obamacare sends our existing health care system into complete and total chaos.


11 posted on 12/23/2013 5:42:51 PM PST by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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I’d like to think you’re right, but 8% unemployment, $4 gas, surging food prices, and trillion dollar deficits didn’t seem to be that big of a voter issue in 2012.


12 posted on 12/23/2013 5:45:04 PM PST by nascarnation (Wish everyone see a "Gay Kwanzaa")
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This guy has absolutely no sympathy for those who lost their insurance.

He's mad at Obama for giving concessions and giving them a break.

13 posted on 12/23/2013 6:22:52 PM PST by what's up
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"Assuming that those 1.2 million actually HAVE health insurance come 1/1/2014 (which is highly doubtful)"

Good point. That is the anticipated number who will have put something in their shopping cart to see their price, not who will have attempted to purchase once they were hit with sticker shock, or whose purchases will be recorded accurately, or who will pay once the purchases are recorded. It also (may) include Medicaid/Medicare. Actual paying customers will be quite rare and the vast majority will be highly motivated (or they would not have stuck with it and then paid such a huge price), meaning pre-existing conditions or other known impending expenses that are expensive to cover.

Pajama Boy was supposed to get young, healthy professionals signing up despite their own expectation that they would overpay, but PB is a failure - just like his community organizing hero.

14 posted on 12/23/2013 6:23:08 PM PST by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: Moorings

“In the liberal/progressive world, 1+1 does not necessarily equal 2.”

Most will find that 1+1 yields a better value, although some may find it to be more.


15 posted on 12/23/2013 6:35:06 PM PST by Junk Silver
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To: what's up
This guy has absolutely no sympathy for those who lost their insurance.

They have contributed to the impression that the Obama administration is desperately trying to keep the new system from spinning out of control, countering the good news that 1.2 million people have signed up for insurance through the federal and state exchanges.

Makes y'wonder if he considers the fact that over 5 million people lost their health insurance "bad news".

16 posted on 12/23/2013 6:35:18 PM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: reaganaut1

Every delay is Obama telling the insurance companies to break the law.

Krauthammer on Kelly File just said the House GOP should attach a no-bailout to Obama exchange insurance companies provision to a debt limit bill.


17 posted on 12/23/2013 6:38:39 PM PST by sickoflibs (Obama : 'If you like your Doctor you can keep him, PERIOD! Don't believe the GOPs warnings')
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The top comment says it all. Govt is there to “give” everybody health insurance.

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from CANADIAN NYTimes commenter Dec 5 2013

“But I cannot help but compare it to the cost in the province where I live. Everyone pays the same (~$55/month) regardless or age, except for the very poor who’s rate is based on ability to pay.”

Does Canada force a ‘mandate’ on it’s people?

There would be NO NEED for a mandate here in the USA if our government gave us really affordable, non-age, income discriminatory healthcare insurance.

ACA should pay us in the USA for all the wasted time and hassle to comply with the bureaucratic bungling.

The solution is a Basic Medicare option for all.

Dec. 23, 2013 at 4:55 p.m.
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18 posted on 12/23/2013 6:51:28 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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One of the criteria for a hardship waiver and considered documentation proof to avoid the penalty is to provide a letter from a utility company giving notice of shutoff of service.

So. Wait one month to pay your electric bill until the utility company sends you a shutoff notice, and voila! You too can be exempt from the Obamacare penalty. . .


19 posted on 12/23/2013 7:06:56 PM PST by ziravan (Choose Sides.)
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And they’re not saying how many of those who “enrolled” got on Medicaid.


20 posted on 12/23/2013 7:51:05 PM PST by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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