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The Hottest Electric Vehicles Leave Winter Drivers Out in the Cold
The Daily Caller ^ | 12/14/13 | Giuseppe Macri

Posted on 12/14/2013 3:59:04 PM PST by chiller

Engineering breakthroughs like the Tesla Model S may be burning up the electric car market (figuratively and literally), but they’re leaving drivers cold and under-powered in the face of Old Man Winter.

Cold temperatures have adverse effects on batteries, slowing down the incoming and outgoing flow of energy and inevitably losing some in the process. The 250-mile average range of an electric car in normal climate conditions can see its performance reduced by 70-miles on a single charge in average winter conditions. The colder it gets, the shorter than range.

Not only that, the average winter driver tends to turn up the heat — a function that also puts a draw on the battery uncommon during other seasons.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailycaller.com ...


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To: Spktyr

So in your scenario fuel trucks could get gasoline distributed , although it might require syphoning gas from the truck into vehicles or containers. That would work in many disaster situations. An EMP however would make it almost pointless to have gasoline since nothing else would be working.


221 posted on 12/14/2013 9:25:23 PM PST by chiller (NBCNews et al is in the tank and should be embarrassed)
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To: null and void

To tax those causing the problem is a solid conservative solution.

Leftists would simply tax everyone.


222 posted on 12/14/2013 9:25:48 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Charles H. (The_r0nin)

Source please?


223 posted on 12/14/2013 9:26:52 PM PST by null and void (I'm betting on an Obama Trifecta: A Nobel Peace Prize, an Impeachment, AND a War Crimes Trial...)
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To: null and void

The funny thing is that all the things liberals claim to want but somehow can’t achieve - yeah, we build it in Texas under capitalism if it seems worth doing.

The world’s largest wind farm? It’s in Texas.
The world’s largest solar photovoltaic research facility? In Texas.
World’s largest solar farm? Rumored to be coming soon to - yup - Texas.

We’re trying a shotgun approach on energy and will be letting the market sort it out. None of the generation systems are being funded by Texas taxpayer dollars, either


224 posted on 12/14/2013 9:30:41 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: editor-surveyor
Silly me. Here I thought the epitome of conservatism is "NO NEW TAXES!"

Yet it actually appears to be Chicago Politics writ large: "Target your enemy with new taxes!"

225 posted on 12/14/2013 9:31:11 PM PST by null and void (I'm betting on an Obama Trifecta: A Nobel Peace Prize, an Impeachment, AND a War Crimes Trial...)
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To: chiller

>> “An EMP however would make it almost pointless to have gasoline since nothing else would be working.” <<

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Much of that is propaganda. EMP would harm delicate devices like solar panels that are already working on the edge of failure just to get operating efficiency, but most cars and trucks computers are sufficiently shielded to survive the remote possibility of EMP damage. Power lines and other antenna-like things are way more likely to pick up enough EMP to damage appliances. That is why it is a good idea to unplug things that you are not using.


226 posted on 12/14/2013 9:31:38 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: chiller

Funny thing about that. Texas has one of the oldest vehicle fleets in the nation. Lots of us have older vehicles either in service or sitting in reserve that aren’t going to notice an EMP. We were and are one of the top purchaser states of diesel vehicles and there are literally millions of old mechanical-only old Chevy and Ford diesels still running around, to say nothing of the mechanical Mercedes diesels. Vehicles with old points-style ignitions are common too - many in pristine condition because they’re project cars.

We’d be hurt, but we wouldn’t be completely screwed.


227 posted on 12/14/2013 9:34:02 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Spktyr

Hey, we’re no slouches either. We’re getting a bullet train from Fresno to Bakersfield.

And we’re doing it without a dime of private sector money, to boot!


228 posted on 12/14/2013 9:34:07 PM PST by null and void (I'm betting on an Obama Trifecta: A Nobel Peace Prize, an Impeachment, AND a War Crimes Trial...)
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To: Spktyr; null and void

Wind and solar generation actually increases the need for fossil and nuclear generating capacity, since they go completely down for long periods.

This also exacerbates the cost of operation of fossil and nuclear plants, since they can only be efficient if running steadily for their entire life.


229 posted on 12/14/2013 9:36:39 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: null and void

Wait until they find out how much power that train is going to consume. It alone may be enough to collapse the CA grid.


230 posted on 12/14/2013 9:36:43 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: null and void

>> “Hey, we’re no slouches either. We’re getting a bullet train from Fresno to Bakersfield.

And we’re doing it without a dime of private sector money, to boot!” <<

Thanks for reminding me :o(


231 posted on 12/14/2013 9:37:47 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: null and void

This is why Eskimos don’t drive electric dog sleds...


232 posted on 12/14/2013 9:38:22 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: editor-surveyor

We also are installing dozens of natural gas power plants and have been attempting to expand our two nuclear plants. Again, it’s not an all or nothing affair - private interests can build what they want and the market will decide.


233 posted on 12/14/2013 9:38:29 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: editor-surveyor

Yes yes yes adding power reduces power, war is peace, love is hate black is white, taxes are conservative...


234 posted on 12/14/2013 9:39:36 PM PST by null and void (I'm betting on an Obama Trifecta: A Nobel Peace Prize, an Impeachment, AND a War Crimes Trial...)
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To: editor-surveyor

*sigh* yeah. any time. *whimper*


235 posted on 12/14/2013 9:40:23 PM PST by null and void (I'm betting on an Obama Trifecta: A Nobel Peace Prize, an Impeachment, AND a War Crimes Trial...)
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To: Spktyr

Nat gas plants are good for peak power, they spool up and down very quickly.


236 posted on 12/14/2013 9:42:19 PM PST by null and void (I'm betting on an Obama Trifecta: A Nobel Peace Prize, an Impeachment, AND a War Crimes Trial...)
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To: Spktyr

>> “private interests can build what they want and the market will decide.” <<

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I wish that were true, but the Feds are blocking construction of power plants all over the country. Getting permits for a plant is currently a 15+ year proposition at best.


237 posted on 12/14/2013 9:42:20 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: null and void

Your disingenuous and facetious comments are greatly appreciated!


238 posted on 12/14/2013 9:45:23 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: chiller

I said this when these things started appearing on the market.... I live in North Dakota, where winter will kill you if you get stranded. No power, no heat, snowdrifts? No way.


239 posted on 12/14/2013 9:47:25 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: null and void

>> “Nat gas plants are good for peak power, they spool up and down very quickly.” <<

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Yes, but building plants to sit on stand-by raises over-all costs considerably.


240 posted on 12/14/2013 9:47:50 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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