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I am not one to delicately opine on fashion sense of the gentleman from Nazareth who ultimately was the cause of so many difficulties for the Jewish people.


19 posted on 12/12/2013 2:47:58 PM PST by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: Jewbacca
I am not one to delicately opine on fashion sense of the gentleman from Nazareth who ultimately was the cause of so many difficulties for the Jewish people.

Hmmm...understandable. Would you care to opine about the fashion sense of a king's son who was killed because he got his long locks stuck in a tree?

20 posted on 12/12/2013 2:53:51 PM PST by madison10
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To: Jewbacca

The Man of Nazareth didn’t cause any problems for the people of Israel, he came to be the Messiah

The rejection of that Messiah causeed Israel’s problems

The rejection of that same Messiah is causing problems everywhere, especially here in the US

And that continued rejection of the Messiah in England, Norway, Finland, Denmark, Germany, Europe, the rest of the world, is what is causing Isslam to rise to what I believe will lead to a Muslim Brotherhood led cabal types that will cause all other religions to fear so much, that it will be the Whore of Babylon spoken of in revelation 17

All because the gentiles rejected that Messiah, too, and for 2000 years they have rejected that same Messiah.

So, Israel rejected the Messiah as a nation, it also was the Jews who DID BELIEVE in the same Messiah who founded a great system of belief in the only God, Those faithful Jews who wrote every book of the Bible, the old and new testament, all written by faithful Jews; One group awaiting the Messiah, the final group having met with the Messiah when He came the first time.

Dont blame people who never knew what their religion taught, for as you yourself see, Everyone of us who knows their Bible, DEFEND AND SUPPORT the land of the Jews, jewish people, and Israel itself.

people who claim they are of the Christian faith who do otherwise are people who either are liars or never read a Bible in their life, for Christianity never taught any Christian to hate Jews or Israel, it teaches us the opposite; that the Jews are God’s chosen nation, that He is a father to the Jews FIRST, and we gentiles are only grafted in to that tree, and to not think so highly of ourselves, as we are not the natural branch


Rom 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, [of] the tribe of Benjamin.
Rom 11:2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,
Rom 11:3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
Rom 11:4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to [the image of] Baal.
Rom 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
Rom 11:6 And if by grace, then [is it] no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if [it be] of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
Rom 11:7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded
Rom 11:8 ( According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.
Rom 11:9 And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them:
Rom 11:10 Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.
Rom 11:11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but [rather] through their fall salvation [is come] unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
Rom 11:12 Now if the fall of them [be] the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?
Rom 11:13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:
Rom 11:14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation [them which are] my flesh, and might save some of them.
Rom 11:15 For if the casting away of them [be] the reconciling of the world, what [shall] the receiving [of them be], but life from the dead?
Rom 11:16 For if the firstfruit [be] holy, the lump [is] also [holy]: and if the root [be] holy, so [are] the branches.
Rom 11:17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
Rom 11:18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
Rom 11:19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
Rom 11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
Rom 11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, [take heed] lest he also spare not thee.
Rom 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in [his] goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
Rom 11:23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.
Rom 11:24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural [branches], be graffed into their own olive tree?
Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Rom 11:27 For this [is] my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
Rom 11:28 As concerning the gospel, [they are] enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, [they are] beloved for the fathers’ sakes.
Rom 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God [are] without repentance.
Rom 11:30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:
Rom 11:31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.
Rom 11:32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
Rom 11:33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable [are] his judgments, and his ways past finding out!
Rom 11:34 For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor?
Rom 11:35 Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again?
Rom 11:36 For of him, and through him, and to him, [are] all things: to whom [be] glory for ever. Amen.


22 posted on 12/12/2013 3:04:12 PM PST by RaceBannon (Lk 16:31 And he said unto him If they hear not Moses and the prophets neither will theybe persuaded)
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To: Jewbacca

The gentleman from Nazareth didn’t cause any Jews any trouble, he came to save them from their sins, and he was successful for a large portion of them in that day.

It’s those that distort his will and words for their own power that cause the trouble.


30 posted on 12/12/2013 3:39:49 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Jewbacca

“I am not one to delicately opine on fashion sense of the gentleman from Nazareth who ultimately was the cause of so many difficulties for the Jewish people.”

I believe that the people who persecuted Jews were deceived by the Father of Lies.


48 posted on 12/13/2013 9:58:24 AM PST by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: Jewbacca; madison10; Greetings_Puny_Humans
I am not one to delicately opine on fashion sense of the gentleman from Nazareth who ultimately was the cause of so many difficulties for the Jewish people.

That sounds like those who blame conservatives for a rise in dissension due to them opposing liberals.

Or like atheists who absurdly blame the Bible for Hitler's and Stalin's atrocities (while absolving atheism for the atrocities of Godless Communism, with the political "religion" atheism can foster).

Jesus Christ was one of many Jewish prophets who caused difficulties for the Jewish people - who opposed their message of repentance, but the Christ went further, and thus met with the prophesied (Is. 53) antagonism. And which did bring Divine judgment, as it did in the past, and in which the heathen are often God's sword of chastisement. (Ps. 17:13).

But if you are making Jesus Christ to blame for Israel's suffering, then you are siding with the devil, who seeks the destruction of Israel, not its redemption, for which Christ died, and the apostle Paul was willing to be damned to achieve.

52 posted on 12/13/2013 11:42:10 AM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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