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To: dragnet2; All

UPDATE:

 

UIW: Student attacked officer with baton before shooting

UIW spokeswoman says Robert Cameron Redus had hit the officer before the officer shot him to death.

 

45 posted on 12/09/2013 11:10:44 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Responsibility2nd
SAN ANTONIO — The student at the University of the Incarnate Word shot to death early Friday by a campus police officer had wrestled the officer's baton away from him and was attacking the officer with it

I'm sure the took images of the officers wounds.

Could you post it?

50 posted on 12/09/2013 11:14:51 AM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Responsibility2nd
The witness said he heard the young man say,"Oh you're gonna shoot me?"

This suggests the officer was pointing his weapon directly at the young man.

So there is no video because the camera fell off the police vehicle?

And you are suggesting they young man who had no police record, took the officers baton for no reason, and as the officer was pointing his weapon at the man, the man decided to charge the officer anyway?

59 posted on 12/09/2013 11:20:53 AM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Responsibility2nd

“UIW police carry pepper spray in addition to firearms, according to the release. This is the first suspect shooting in UIW history, according to the release.

The dash cam on Carter’s marked pickup truck had fallen off and officers had made arrangements to have it remounted, according to the university.” the dash cam had fallen off..


62 posted on 12/09/2013 11:23:12 AM PST by hippyhater
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To: Responsibility2nd

Well, that’s his story.

“The dash cam on Carter’s marked pickup truck had fallen off and officers had made arrangements to have it remounted, according to the university.”

Convenient. I guess we’ll never know the other side of this story.


63 posted on 12/09/2013 11:23:20 AM PST by cizinec ("Brother, your best friend ain't your Momma, it's the Field Artillery.")
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To: Responsibility2nd
"The dash cam on Carter's marked pickup truck had fallen off and officers had made arrangements to have it remounted, according to the university."

Sigh.

64 posted on 12/09/2013 11:23:22 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("See something, say something.")
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The dash cam on Carter's marked pickup truck had fallen off and officers had made arrangements to have it remounted, according to the university.

Whoops....

65 posted on 12/09/2013 11:23:40 AM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Responsibility2nd
UIW: Student attacked officer with baton before shooting

From your link:

"The dash cam on Carter's marked pickup truck had fallen off and officers had made arrangements to have it remounted, according to the university."

Oh, please. Why in the world would a straight-A student about to graduate from a religious college wrestle a baton away from a police officer for a traffic stop? It does not make any sense.

78 posted on 12/09/2013 11:39:16 AM PST by Albion Wilde ("Remember... the first revolutionary was Satan."--Russian Orthodox Archpriest Dmitry Smirnov)
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To: Responsibility2nd
The student ... had wrestled the officer's baton away from him and was attacking the officer with it.

If that is so then it should be forensically verifiable and that will change things significantly.

81 posted on 12/09/2013 11:41:42 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Responsibility2nd

Pictures or it didn’t happen.


105 posted on 12/09/2013 12:13:23 PM PST by null and void (I'm betting on an Obama Trifecta: A Nobel Peace Prize, an Impeachment, AND a War Crimes Trial...)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Pictures of the officers wounds would be evidence in this case...Which would support the officer.

No?

Where is the evidence?


110 posted on 12/09/2013 12:18:04 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Responsibility2nd
The dash cam on Carter's marked pickup truck had fallen off and officers had made arrangements to have it remounted, according to the university.

Incarnate Word, Carter and his buddies just broke the Commandment, "Thou shalt not bear false witness against they neighbor." Mighty convenient that dash cam fell off, huh. Saying, "oh, you're gonna shoot me?" after just beating a campus cop doesn't sound right. Emptying his gun into the guy shows exactly who was at fault and out of control. Lock him up and introduce him as "Officer Carter" to his cellmate.

124 posted on 12/09/2013 12:45:48 PM PST by bgill
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” UPDATE:

UIW: Student attacked officer with baton before shooting”

Until the dust settles on this I will reserve judgment in this case. Other than that the baton angle is familiar.

I sat on a Grand Jury in the late 80’s for an officer involved shooting. It basically was a local PD officer who along with his partner happened on a local street person (woman) who was being smacked around by two laborer types. It later turned out she was drunk, spitting at the two guys and throwing fireworks at them, basically being super obnoxious when they got fed up and slapped her around. The cops showed up about that time.

The cops stopped the assault and started to hook the two guys up until they could sort the situation out. One guy got hooked up the other bolted and ran up hill into a darkened park with the cop in foot pursuit. A shot was fired in the park. Multiple units responded and the second fellow was taken onto custody. It was discovered as he was being placed into the car his pants were bloody. It was obvious he was shot but the cop never admitted he pulled the trigger until post event investigation showed his revolver had been fired. His reason for shooting was nothing short of amazing.

This is where the GJ got involved. The cop claims he entered the dark park baton in hand when he tripped sending the baton flying ahead of him toward the suspect. The suspect instantly picked it up did a 180 and rushed the cop who drew his gun and fired. To listen to the cop it would have been the work of a world class athlete.

The problem was there was no chain of custody on the baton due to the cops’ initially not admitting he actually used the baton nor shooting. Part of his problem was the bullet wound insomuch the bullet had struck the suspects belt buckle at an extreme angle and fragmented penetrating his lower abdomen and exiting his perineum. The cop would have to have been standing on a ladder and shooting down if he was to be believed.

The suspect was suing the city for excessive force and the PD was charging the shootee for attack on a PD officer. It was abundantly clear the cop was lying by omission and statement. The GJ refused to indict either party. It was a real mess and if the cop had just told the truth it would have gone alot better.

172 posted on 12/10/2013 12:28:11 AM PST by Polynikes (What would Walt Kowalski do. In the meantime "GET OFF MY LAWN")
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To: Responsibility2nd

The policeman says that the kid took his baton and hit him with it. However, the policeman says that he took back the baton before he shot the kid. And there is no video of the incident. So, you are only repeating what the policeman said, and we all know that he has absolutely no reason to lie about it.


173 posted on 12/10/2013 6:49:13 AM PST by jim_trent
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