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1 posted on 11/28/2013 9:49:22 AM PST by ReligiousLibertyTV
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Wrong. Obamacare requires people to pay for abortificients.

FWIW, I used to know some of the faculty at Baylor pretty well, and visited there fairly often for conferences and other reasons. I’m afraid I got the impression that Baylor is no longer a truly Christian university—especially at the top levels. It’s kind of the Notre Dame of Baptist universities.


26 posted on 11/28/2013 10:27:47 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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Hines is an idiot who doesn’t understand the difference between “choose to provides” and “must provide”.


27 posted on 11/28/2013 10:30:12 AM PST by Repulican Donkey
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“Liberty For Me But Not For Thee”
Love the cultists in spite of their hypocrisies....


28 posted on 11/28/2013 10:32:03 AM PST by S.O.S121.500 (Case back hoe for sale or trade for diesel wood chipper....Enforce the Bill of Rights. It's the Law!)
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Well, child sacrifice is the abomination that causes desolation, so even God has a blood red line we can not cross without His judgment. He will not forgive a nation under that one circumstance.

“However, the LORD did not turn from the fierceness of His great wrath with which His anger burned against Judah, because of all the provocations with which Manasseh had provoked Him. And the LORD said, “I will remove Judah also from My sight, as I have removed Israel. And I will cast off Jerusalem, this city which I have chosen, and the temple (house) of which I said, ‘My name shall be there’.”
“Surely at the command (mouth) of the LORD it came upon Judah, to remove them from His sight because of the sins of Manasseh, according to all that he had done, and also for the innocent blood which he shed, for he filled Jerusalem with innocent blood; AND THE LORD WOULD NOT FORGIVE.” (All caps mine) 2 Kings 23: 26 & 27 and 24: 3 & 4


29 posted on 11/28/2013 10:37:40 AM PST by huldah1776
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A person does not and cannot surrender or relinquish his or her fundamental human rights by choosing to become a member of or participant in a corporation. I would further contend that it is not within my power to reject or abrogate my rights, inasmuch as they are inherent to my personhood. Neither can a government abrogate those rights. Government can either acknowledge their existential reality and defend them, or it can arbitrarily and improperly declare then non-existent and of no account - - and violate them.


30 posted on 11/28/2013 10:38:09 AM PST by Elsiejay
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The problem is the federal gov’t should not dictate a one-size-fits-all health insurance plan.

That is the removal of choice from the citizens.


33 posted on 11/28/2013 10:42:13 AM PST by Erik Latranyi (When religions have to beg the gov't for a waiver, we are already under socialism.)
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I suspect Mr. Hines graduated at the bottom of his class.


35 posted on 11/28/2013 10:43:33 AM PST by pluvmantelo (Islam-No stronger retrograde force exists in the world.)
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What's this guy's problem? If they were providing insurance that covered birth control, it was a private decision. The govermnent demanding it? That's very different.

I'm in a different reality from the current situation. I have no idea why insurance would even cover medications or anything else that are choices which an individual makes.

37 posted on 11/28/2013 10:47:35 AM PST by grania
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Dear Mr. Hines,

Please review the historical saying: “Give me liberty or give me death.”

You and your leftist friends have declared war on people of conscience. It really does not matter whether you agree or disagree with contraception. The bottom line is you are starting a WAR.

Let me be clear. This is not figurative language. Obamacare is going to kill people. Not figuratively. Literally.

And there are many people who are not willing to live under tyranny and are not afraid of dying.

So you need to ask yourself, Mr. Hines, “Is your right to free contraception worth Revolution 2?”


38 posted on 11/28/2013 10:47:41 AM PST by unlearner (You will never come to know that which you do not know until you first know that you do not know it.)
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"After all, I as a citizen do not have the free exercise right to burden other people’s healthcare."

What an asinine argument. Hobby Lobby is not "burdening" other people's health care, it is not preventing anyone from buying contraceptives. It is offering a limited BENEFIT to employees, and in a sane world and a free world, the federal government would not dictate the specific nature of those benefits. And the federal government has no "compelling interest" in dictating the specific level of benefits a company offers, the amount of co-pays, or the deductibles.
39 posted on 11/28/2013 10:52:07 AM PST by Steve_Seattle
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Madison's Notes for the Bill of Rights

Madison used this outline to guide him in delivering his speech introducing the Bill of Rights into the First Congress on June 8, 1789. Madison proposed an amendment to assuage the anxieties of those who feared that religious freedom would be endangered by the unamended Constitution. According to The Congressional Register Madison, on June 8, moved that "the civil rights of none shall be abridged on account of religious belief or worship, nor shall any national religion be established, nor shall the full and equal rights of conscience be in any manner, or on any pretext infringed."


40 posted on 11/28/2013 10:52:09 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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"How great it is to have a loving God who gives me the freedom to make my own decisions and gives me the tools to make the right ones instead of a God who tries to coerce me into His righteousness by burdening my decisions any way He can. Now if we can just get His followers to do the same…."

What a cynical idiot. This pathetic argument could be used in defense of anarchism - how dare anyone coerce others by passing ANY law requiring or preventing something! In supporting a government mandate, he offers an argument that would actually prohibit government mandates. The guy thinks he's being clever, but he's being stupid.
41 posted on 11/28/2013 10:56:51 AM PST by Steve_Seattle
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College kid. Typical CRAP, and from Baylor. No surprise.

Let’s force this child to pay for my bullets. See how he likes that idea.


42 posted on 11/28/2013 10:58:38 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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The author thanks God for freedom and at the same time thanks government for taking freedom away.


44 posted on 11/28/2013 11:01:36 AM PST by Redmen4ever
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the crux of the case is whether you are going to be forced to give up religious beliefs if you run your own business.

the correct answer is you don’t.

this is not muslim cab drivers refusing a service dog either. this is not them forcing religious beliefs on customers.

the real issue here as well is obamacare was designed to force every citizen to fund abortion and contraceptives. since government can’t directly, it’mandates everyone buy insurance, and then mandates every acceptable’plan must include abortion and contrceptives. therefore forcing every person to give money that can and will fund abortions and ru-486.


45 posted on 11/28/2013 11:01:38 AM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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Who is Jason Hines and why should I give a flying flip what he thinks?


47 posted on 11/28/2013 11:13:22 AM PST by Arm_Bears (Refuse; Resist; Rebel; Revolt!)
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contraception covered by the mandate are against their religious beliefs and that they should not be paying to provide them for their customers.

Stopped reading right there.

49 posted on 11/28/2013 11:26:36 AM PST by j_tull (Massachusetts - once leader of the American Revolution, now leader of its demise.)
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What poor logic. First, Hobby Lobby is not paying for birth control for their customers but for their employees. I suspect he just identified the wrong group so I will let that slide.

Secondly, we already have other groups given exemptions for Obamacare en toto based on their religious beliefs. Why should a Christian-owned corporation not have that same right simply because they are not non-profit?

What Obamacare does is it strips businesses, insurers and individuals all of their right to negotiate a coverage plan that covers what they want to cover and not what they don’t. The government, instead, shoves a one-size-fits-all plan that uses the moral values of the liberal establishment (birth control, HIV care, sex changes -good, cigarette smoking and gun ownership -bad). It overreaches into decision government should have no right to make.

Employees also have rights to look elsewhere if they aren’t happy with the benefits of a particular employer. I’m guessing most employees at Hobby Lobby or Chick Fil-A support the moral values of the company’s ownership or they’d leave to find a job with a company more in line with their own values.

Of course, if you chip away at the Obama Oberreach, you are eventually left with a shell of the government power the bill was meant to have which is the real reason the courts will kill the appeal.


50 posted on 11/28/2013 11:29:53 AM PST by OrangeHoof (Howdy to all you government agents spying on me.)
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Well, why CAN’t the Jehovah Witnesses remove blood transfusion coverage from any insurance it buys to cover a worker? They think simply to avoid doing harm to the person affected. The insurance is a form of compensation for services, and to insist that it much uniformly apply to all workers is like insisting that all workers be paid the same salaries. Surely some discretion must be allowed the employer.


51 posted on 11/28/2013 11:41:53 AM PST by RobbyS (quotes)
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This guy makes legal arguements and doesn’t even quote the Constitution.

The first amendment trumps obamacare.


52 posted on 11/28/2013 11:46:18 AM PST by RginTN
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