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POPE FRANCIS ATTACKS CAPITALISM, CALLS FOR STATE CONTROL
Breitbart ^ | 27 Nov 2013, | WILLIAM BIGELOW

Posted on 11/27/2013 3:29:16 PM PST by navysealdad

In a far-ranging 50,000 word statement released by Pope Francis on Tuesday, he illustrated that he is sympathetic to the tenets of liberation theology and hostile to capitalism.

(Excerpt) Read more at breitbart.com ...


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To: Greysard
You cannot gaze into a healthy market economy and second guess it.

If you try, and you are the government, it is highly likely you will do net damage.

Today one worker only monitors ten computer-controlled machining centers, and his only job is to load materials and tools, and remove finished parts. To make things worse, this machining cannot be done by hand anymore. Nine machinists are looking for a job now.

That is a market optimization. Those former machinists should now be doing something else that computer-controlled machining centers cannot do. If they are smart enough to be machinists, that shouldn't be a problem. Of course, if they insist on remaining machinists, then we count the weeks, up to 99 or whatever.

And, as to the Bishop of Rome, I care about the magnitude of my net worth, not the ratio of Mr Bill's net worth to mine. He needs to shut up and focus his intellectual bandwidth on transubstantiation.

121 posted on 11/28/2013 12:26:06 AM PST by cynwoody
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To: navysealdad

Cardinal Ratzinger struck the right balance in 1985: http://www.acton.org/global/article/market-economy-and-ethics


122 posted on 11/28/2013 12:32:29 AM PST by Praxeologue
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To: kitkat

Liberation theology is used to justify situations like Venezuela—and to condemn American free markets.


123 posted on 11/28/2013 12:34:00 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: Salvation

An excerpt from the summary you quote:

“In relation to the challenges of the contemporary world, the Pope denounces the current economic system as “unjust at its root”. “Such an economy kills” because the law of “the survival of the fittest” prevails. The current culture of the “disposable” has created “something new”: “the excluded are not the ‘exploited’ but the outcast, the ‘leftovers’”. “A new tyranny is thus born, invisible and often virtual”, of an “autonomy of the market” in which “financial speculation” and “widespread corruption” and “self-serving tax-evasion reign”. He also denounces “attacks on religious freedom” and the “new persecutions directed against Christians.”


124 posted on 11/28/2013 12:36:24 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: Mr Rogers
At some point you need to face the truth - the new Pope has the intellect of the family dog. He says and writes whatever makes him feel good with no thought to outside consequences. Given that, I expect Obama to appoint him to the Supreme Court...

There is nothing in the Constitution that would keep Zero from doing exactly that. And, thanks to Dingy Harry's recent filibuster rule change, he would need only 50 senators (plus Plugs) to confirm Mr Justice Francis!

125 posted on 11/28/2013 12:37:43 AM PST by cynwoody
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To: cynwoody
You cannot gaze into a healthy market economy and second guess it. If you try, and you are the government, it is highly likely you will do net damage.

I guess we learned that lesson pretty well with Obamacare. Hundreds of private insurance products got reduced to three, simply because the Emperor said so.

Those former machinists should now be doing something else that computer-controlled machining centers cannot do. If they are smart enough to be machinists, that shouldn't be a problem

There are two problems right here:

1. There is not enough demand for machining in the whole world. One machinist can supply all the parts. Other machinists, even if they are capable, are not needed. There are no even mills for them to work on. You can say the same about every job - there are only so many stores to be a clerk at, so many banks, so many fast food joints... even writers compete for reader's attention. The manufacturing can be so efficient that it floods the market or runs out of the raw materials.

2. Not everyone is capable of learning the higher skill. What if the new machines have to be telepathically controlled, and only 20% of the population are capable of telepathy?

There is no known solution to this problem. Currently the USA is using a passive approach of supplying the unlucky workers with some minimum money, so that they don't grab torches and pitchforks yet. This solution is a social poison, and it doesn't really solve the problem. For example, in the near future all stores will be online, ran by computers; all services will be automated; where will a common man be employed at to earn money to buy all those goods? These goods are not free, as in Communism - someone has to invest into those automated factories, and some people will be working there, if only to maintain the machines.

The worst part of this problem is not even money. The absolute worst here is the fact that tens of millions of workers will be sitting at home for weeks, staring into the telescreen, and eating Ramen noodles. Can you imagine what that will do to their mind? It is perfectly clear why ghetto kids do all the crime. Idle hands and all that. Even if we manage to skip to the ideal Communism, where robots do *everything* for us, the human society will go crazy.

126 posted on 11/28/2013 1:21:46 AM PST by Greysard
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To: Greysard
Free economies adapt. Investors, workers and machines find their levels. Smart inventors and entrepreneurs strike it rich!

Back in the day, a far larger proportion of the US labor force was engaged in agriculture than today.

For instance, in 1921, Philo Farnsworth, aged 14, was plowing a potato field. He looked down at the tracks left by his disc harrow, imagined an image overlaid on the field and tiny electrons representing the lightness and darkness of the image at each point in the field, and invented TV.

Over the years, mechanization decimated farm jobs, but TV and similar replaced them and greatly improved the national wealth. Over the years, we needed far fewer farmers and a lot more other types to support our upgraded lifestyle.

There is no way government bureaucrats or late night internet posters could possibly have figured that out. But it nevertheless happened.

127 posted on 11/28/2013 1:57:14 AM PST by cynwoody
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To: 9YearLurker

I see. Perhaps Malachi was correct and this will be the last pope leading to the end times. Only time will tell.


128 posted on 11/28/2013 2:21:42 AM PST by Ingtar (The NSA - "We're the only part of government who actually listens to the people.")
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To: Pan_Yan

if true, 50,000 words is a harrangue worthy of Fidel Castro.


129 posted on 11/28/2013 2:23:14 AM PST by The_Media_never_lie (Actually, they lie when it suits them! The crooked MS media must be defeated any way it can be done!)
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To: navysealdad

Wow that’s a lot of yack if so. I’d guesstimate well over 50 pages’ worth depending on the language. Some masters’ theses are not this long.


130 posted on 11/28/2013 2:42:49 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: navysealdad

Ya know...

While there might be more, this looks like beating around the bush to me.

Of course it’s a sinful world. However, when a society knows Christ (that’s what all the joyful evangelism is about, isn’t it?) then it still will be able to sanely carry on a free market much better than it can centrally plan the same market. The Roman Catholic religion has too long been about using the tail to wag the dog. There isn’t any “social method” that equals actually believing on Christ and acting individually according to what He asks in a particular circumstance.

Going back to old biblical advice is what’s needed here. If you’re rich, be generous. If you’re poor praise the Lord for who He is. If you don’t know the Lord, then by all means do. Now that is not rocket science but it will take you to the next world quite well.


131 posted on 11/28/2013 2:52:09 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: terycarl
how's that working out for you????, you now have over 20,000 separate "denominations" all of which think that they are correct!!!!

At least we don't have a socialist wearing a crown telling us to give up Reaganomics!

And what's wrong with everyone disagreeing about this or that? On this site, every single member has a political disagreement with every another member about something, but all of us can agree that Obama is a disaster.

132 posted on 11/28/2013 2:55:17 AM PST by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: Partisan Gunslinger; terycarl

And then the Roman Catholics are the 20,001’st such denomination? (I almost wrote demonimation there.)

There’s far more comity between evangelical worship groups than you’d think. Generally the less such a a group stresses denominational affairs and the more it emphasizes the primacy of personal relationship to the Lord, the more it can effectively work with Christians of all kinds. They generally agree they have the capital T Truth which is the Lord, not a bunch of human maintained doctrines. C. S. Lewis may have been the most prominent, but certainly not the only one, to notice that the most devoted of any denomination are typically the most in agreement across denominations.


133 posted on 11/28/2013 3:01:58 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
There’s far more comity between evangelical worship groups than you’d think. Generally the less such a a group stresses denominational affairs and the more it emphasizes the primacy of personal relationship to the Lord, the more it can effectively work with Christians of all kinds. They generally agree they have the capital T Truth which is the Lord, not a bunch of human maintained doctrines. C. S. Lewis may have been the most prominent, but certainly not the only one, to notice that the most devoted of any denomination are typically the most in agreement across denominations.

Bump.

134 posted on 11/28/2013 3:09:04 AM PST by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: Salvation
**There are NO liberal Breitbart writers. **

I don't trust them either...

135 posted on 11/28/2013 3:12:52 AM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood ("Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???")
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To: cynwoody
And, as to the Bishop of Rome...
For, from the time that the Bishop of Rome had gotten to be acknowledged for bishop universal, by pretence of succession to St. Peter, their whole hierarchy, or kingdom of darkness, may be compared not unfitly to the kingdom of fairies; that is, to the old wives' fables in England concerning ghosts and spirits, and the feats they play in the night.

And if a man consider the original of this great ecclesiastical dominion, he will easily perceive that the papacy is no other than the ghost of the deceased Roman Empire, sitting crowned upon the grave thereof: for so did the papacy start up on a sudden out of the ruins of that heathen power.

Thomas Hobbes. Leviathan, 1651


136 posted on 11/28/2013 3:19:33 AM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood ("Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???")
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To: GeronL
Liberation theology Protestantism is Satan getting a toe in the tent.

Fixed it for you.

137 posted on 11/28/2013 3:24:10 AM PST by verga (The devil is in the details)
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To: GeronL
How much do you think the Vatican is worth? Maybe he should sell it off and redistribute it to the worlds poor??

Great idea, you go first to show us how it is done.

138 posted on 11/28/2013 3:28:00 AM PST by verga (The devil is in the details)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood

Which is certainly a polar opposite view from what the Roman Catholic popes call themselves.

But sometimes both poles, in a question that is polarized among worldly lines, are wrong.

A valid member of a valid Christian group (due to the Lord) which is, nonetheless, erring... does not often come into discussion. That would say less about the Pope than the Roman Catholics want, and yet more about him than most evangelicals will say. It’s hard to factor the worldly way of loyalty to earthly organizations out of our thinking.


139 posted on 11/28/2013 3:30:47 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: verga

Your devil is better than ours?


140 posted on 11/28/2013 3:36:06 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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