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I am sure this matter has already been posted. But I found this a good summation on the status of a hopeful challenge.
1 posted on 11/20/2013 7:27:15 AM PST by don-o
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To: don-o
Hope so.

And that phony b*stard had better get it right this time.

2 posted on 11/20/2013 7:28:25 AM PST by skeeter
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Just defund Obamacare. That’s all it takes.


4 posted on 11/20/2013 7:30:51 AM PST by tennmountainman (Just Say No To Obamacare)
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To: don-o

HOw about base don the 14th amendment. All Americans a suppose to be treated the same by its government yet this medical plan is based on income


5 posted on 11/20/2013 7:33:27 AM PST by edcoil (System now set up not to allow some to win but for no one to lose!)
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To: don-o
The obama people have something on Justice Roberts. That's the only explanation. His own is not believable.
6 posted on 11/20/2013 7:33:31 AM PST by ryan71 (The Partisans)
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To: don-o

Yes. It’s an excellent summation.


7 posted on 11/20/2013 7:34:23 AM PST by Savage Beast ("And may the odds be ever in your favor." IT CAN HAPPEN HERE!)
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Instead, using a legislative trick, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) took an innocuous bill that had passed the House unanimously on October 8, 2009 by a 416-0 vote, the Service Members Home Ownership Tax Act of 2009, removed every word of its text following the first sentence, and replaced it with the Affordable Care Act language.

WT....? Isn't that fraud? So no one in the house actually voted for ACA at all? They only voted for the Home Ownership bill back in 2009 and "deemed" the ACA bill passed?

What? Did I read this right?

8 posted on 11/20/2013 7:36:21 AM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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The very definition of “chicanery” - 1. deception by artful subterfuge of sophistry; 2. a piece of sharp practice: TRICK

Harry Reid has used all these strategies and tactics, not out of the goodness of his heart (he has neither goodness nor a functioning heart), but as a sly casino dealer who both stacks the deck, and bluffs without a twinge of emotion.

“The Commissioner” learned his trade well back there in Las Vegas.


9 posted on 11/20/2013 7:36:59 AM PST by alloysteel (The Internet, a most exquisite system by which to confound and muddle any reasonable dialogue.)
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And give up all his glowing press coverage?! The man sold his soul.


11 posted on 11/20/2013 7:38:33 AM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: don-o

It’s too late for Traitor Roberts to save his legacy.


12 posted on 11/20/2013 7:38:52 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: don-o

Thanks for the post. I knew Harry used a trick, but I never heard it described before.

This sounds like an excellent challenge to me. It should never have been allowed. Let’s see if the Supreme Court will uphold the Constitution for once.


13 posted on 11/20/2013 7:39:03 AM PST by FR_addict
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To: don-o

Great post. Must save for later


15 posted on 11/20/2013 7:42:56 AM PST by be-baw (still seeking)
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To: don-o

thank you
If it was posted I missed it
plus this is an excellent explanation of something I did not understand at the time

BUT WTF? Why didn’t any of the Pubs in the House then speak up, shout it?
It is hard to think that not a single PUB in the House back then would not have tried to explain to the people what was being done.

thanks though for posting this


19 posted on 11/20/2013 7:49:54 AM PST by RWGinger
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In all the chaos over the years, I’ve known some of this, but tell me if I have this right.

The House passed the Service Members Home Ownership Tax Act of 2009 (SMHOTA) 416-0.

It went to the Senate, where the moral-free Harry Reid kept the first sentence of SMHOTA and slapped the 2,000+ pages of Obamacare to it. A soulless judge deemed this an ‘amendment’, according to the article.

It went back to the House where it passed with 218 votes (not one Republican but including Bart Stupid as the 218th vote).

So, is the “Affordable Care Act” really named the “Service Members Home Ownership Tax Act”?


21 posted on 11/20/2013 7:56:23 AM PST by LostInBayport (When there are more people riding in the cart than there are pulling it, the cart stops moving...)
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All kinds of shenanigans with this bill from the start.

SA 2786. Mr. REID (for himself, Mr. Baucus, Mr. Dodd, and Mr. Harkin) submitted an amendment intended to be proposed by him to the bill H.R. 3590, to amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to modify the first-time homebuyers credit in the case of members of the Armed Forces and certain other Federal employees, and for other purposes; which was ordered to lie on the table; as follows:

Strike all after the enacting clause and insert the following:

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE; TABLE OF CONTENTS.

(a) Short Title.--This Act may be cited as the ``Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act''.

(b) Table of Contents.--The table of contents of this Act is as follows:

Sec..1..Short title; table of contents.

TITLE I--QUALITY, AFFORDABLE HEALTH CARE FOR ALL AMERICANS

Subtitle A--Immediate Improvements in Health Care Coverage for All Americans

Sec..1001..Amendments to the Public Health Service Act.

text of amendments -- (Senate - November 19, 2009)

23 posted on 11/20/2013 8:12:02 AM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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Does anybody have the slightest hope that Roberts will strike DeathCare down as unconstitutional? This is a “minor” point to a man that argued, against all logic, that the fees were taxes.

And why would he suddenly turn on his masters in a “man-bites-dog” story line? I fully expect him to rule it is NOT a tax and give a million convoluted reasons for contradicting himself.


26 posted on 11/20/2013 8:16:55 AM PST by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners. And to the NSA trolls, FU)
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First instance I've found of congress doing this:

“...(S. 115) ‘‘To modify the act of the 14th of July, 1832, and all other acts imposing duties on imports,’’ introduced by Mr. Henry Clay, of Kentucky, February 12, 1833.6 Objection was made by Mr. John Forsyth, of Georgia, and others, that the bill was not constitutional, as the Senate did not have the power to originate such a bill.7 The bill was considered and carried to a third reading, when, on February 26, it was laid on the table,8 the bill of the House (H. R. 641) being received in the Senate at that time. This House bill had originally been reported on December 27,9 but, on February 25, on motion of Mr. Robert P. Letcher, of Kentucky, the Senate bill proposed by Mr. Clay had been moved as a substitute and adopted, retaining, however, the House number10 This bill passed the Senate and became a law.11”
Hind’s Precedents Chapter XLVII pg 943

The Founders were gone by 1833 so this isn't constitutionally definitive. However something the congress has been doing with revenue bills for at least 180 years is not likely to now be overturned by a court.
But who knows anymore what they'll do...

28 posted on 11/20/2013 8:22:33 AM PST by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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Me Thinks a group of medical types sue on this basis:
If all medical practitioners are told who to treat, how to diagnose them, how they are to treat/not treat them, and how much they will be paid for that service; (regardless if that compensation actually covers cost)
Doesn't that make them indentured servants of the state?

Something tells me that the slavery thing was already illegal!?!

35 posted on 11/20/2013 8:45:11 AM PST by bayoublazer (Conservative, by reasons of higher cognitive skills)
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bkmk


39 posted on 11/20/2013 8:53:00 AM PST by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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SCOTUS will refuse to hear...


41 posted on 11/20/2013 9:01:47 AM PST by maddog55
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Unfortunately, the left’s threat against Roberts is still working. And, besides, obama gave him a special exemption from obamacare. He would need to recuse himself, along with elena kagan.


42 posted on 11/20/2013 10:20:35 AM PST by DPMD
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