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To: Red in Blue PA
"Am I being detained or am I free to go?"
8 posted on 11/20/2013 6:06:12 AM PST by Obadiah (I Like Ted.)
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To: Obadiah
"Am I being detained or am I free to go?"

I think that's the best response.

14 posted on 11/20/2013 6:12:13 AM PST by Menehune56 ("Let them hate so long as they fear" (Oderint Dum Metuant), Lucius Accius (170 BC - 86 BC))
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To: Obadiah

> “Am I being detained or am I free to go?”

Key question. Taking of DNA samples is a search and should require probable cause.


20 posted on 11/20/2013 6:17:36 AM PST by jsanders2001
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To: Obadiah

As a retired LEO the only response is Am I being detained? Following their mumbling response with, am I free to go?

Cops don’t like being told no, but even worse is a citizen who reminds them of their constitutional authority. A lot of evidence is collected from complaint citizens. Cops need documentable probable cause to conduct these seizures and they know it.

I expect their collection process includes a signed waiver of your rights.

Your call if you want to cooperation, but suggest you turn on the video camera on your phone. Cops hate to have their actions recorded.


42 posted on 11/20/2013 7:24:13 AM PST by Dustoff45 (A good woman brings out the best in a good man! A better woman might be just what this nation needs)
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To: Obadiah

That is an interesting question in this context.

I am trying to imagine this situation.

You are ordered into a parking lot....then what. Ordered out of your car? Ordered to breathe into a breathalyzer, then ordered to submit saliva, and then blood?

So where in any of this is probable cause? I am somewhat understanding of a checkpoint where you roll down your window...most people who have had a couple of drinks, reek of alcohol...it’s unmistakable. So the question of: have you been drinking, is really a trick since they are asking a question they already know the answer to.

But in this case, where is the probable cause for a field sobriety test that is this invasive? If you cannot smell it on my person, then why would one need to submit samples like this?

In most places, I would assume, that refusal of a field sobriety test is the equivalent of an admission of guilt, and your license is suspended immediately and the maximum penalty is meted out at your court date.


57 posted on 11/20/2013 4:37:46 PM PST by Ouderkirk (To the left, everything must evidence that this or that strand of leftist theory is true)
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