Posted on 11/19/2013 8:24:49 AM PST by Errant
It happens rarely. A taxpayer challenging the constitutional basis for the income tax wins in court, defeating the Internal Revenue Service, such as in the case brought by the late Tom Cryer, who was acquitted on a charge of failing to pay $73,000 to the government.
Now three members of Congress want to make that result the norm through a bill that would repeal the 16th Amendment, effectively canceling federal income taxes.
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> The best defense is a great offense!
Especially with the Alynskites. Truth and exposing their evil deeds in secret is also especially effective. Liars, manipulators, and deceivers don’t like to be shown for what they really are.
what we have now started as a flat tax...
abolish it and institute the fair tax, where the states collect the revenue and the feds have to petition for a percentage.
abolish it and institute the fair tax, where the states collect the revenue and the feds have to petition for a percentage.
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Good thinking! States need to stand up to Fed tyranny.
I am starting to think that a standing Army is a bad thing too. I am turning into a Patrick Henry disciple and wish now that he had been the first President....
Patrick Henry: “A standing army we shall have, also, to execute the execrable commands of tyranny”
There is an important finesse point here. Constitutional amendments *by themselves* do nothing. They must have “enabling acts” to function.
This is best known with Prohibition, which itself did nothing until its enabling act, the Volstead Act, was passed. Importantly, president Wilson tried to veto it, and was overridden by congress.
Trying to overturn the 16th Amendment would be extremely difficult, compared to overturning its enabling acts.
And here’s the zinger: if congress chose to do so, it could so thoroughly reinterpret the 16th Amendment with its new enabling act, that it would effectively *end* the income tax, and replace it with some other form of taxation.
Tariffs cannot do the job alone, a NRST will probably be necessary too. Also vastly shrinking FedGov™ of course.
Good thinking...
He covered his tracks pretty well but do not forget Philander C. (Sleepy Phil) Knox. He of the famous quote (To TR regarding the Panama Canal); “Mister President, do not let so great an achievement suffer from any taint of legality,”
America was strongest when tariffs were high, income taxes did not exit and manufacturing humming along.
That still makes some an economic slave; does not encompass ALL peoples (IE: still those w/ no skin in the game); and a few other niggling peeves....
Return to what worked for ~150 years
Agree - NO INCOME TAXES AT ALL. Tariffs and a NRST plus shrinking FedGov™.
“what we have now started as a flat tax...
abolish it and institute the fair tax, where the states collect the revenue and the feds have to petition for a percentage”
A flat tax is still an income tax, and would leave the IRS in place.
It punishes productivity, and fails to capture any revenue from the illegal aliens and illegal activities like drugs and prostitution because most of them don’t report their income, but they buy stuff, so with the Fair Tax, they would start paying their share.
The IRS tried to take out the Tea Party, it would be sweet vengeance for the Tea Party to take out the IRS.
Rep Mike Kelly did a good job in one of the hearings, of explaining how the IRS terrorizes Americans with the threat and expense of an audit.
Say no to terrorism - abolish the IRS.
And now we are supposed to trust this monstrous agency with our lives and health?
Every discussion should point out that now is the time for the Fair Tax!!
http://www.fairtax.org/site/PageServer
Hey,
Japan and Germany have done fine while using us to be their protectors,
You MUST still allow the government to examine all your financial records to prove that you don’t have any hidden income. What part of SLAVERY don’t you understand?
It matters not if the source of funding is the current income tax, a flat tax, a sales tax, tariffs or some other revenue source....there will ALWAYS be (and ALWAYS has been)an "IRS". It has been called different things at different times, but some federal agency will always exist to collect the revenues due to the federal government.
Saying "abolish the IRS" is simply ludicrous, and will accomplish nothing.
I would be far easier to do it that way. Congress could abolish or more likely radically reduce the tax code and the IRS, and do it with simple majorities, not blocked by any 2/3rds votes, since the constitution is clear that tax law is strictly majority vote.
To start with, packing the House Ways and Means committee, that writes tax law, with conservatives. At the same time, its counterpart, the Senate Finance Committee, would take the ball from the House. They could even do some extra cutting and adjustments in the conference committee, before an up or down vote in both houses and off to the president.
This is a whole lot easier than changing the constitution.
THE FAIR TAX WOULD BE THE BIGGEST TRANSFER OF POWER FROM DC BACK TO THE PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY’S HISTORY.
The FairTax is replacement, not reform. It replaces federal income taxes including personal, estate, gift, capital gains, alternative minimum, Social Security, Medicare, self-employment, and corporate taxes.
The FairTax brings jobs back to America by allowing companies to operate on our soil tax free rather than paying the current corporate income tax of 35 percent. Under the FairTax, various economists have predicted higher economic growth ranging from 7 to 14 percent over the current system, more jobs, and higher wages.
With the penalty for working harder and producing more removed, Americans are free to keep every dollar they earn, and a new era of economic growth and job creation is unleashed. Hidden taxes are history, Americans are able to save more, and businesses invest more. Capital formation, the real source of job creation and innovation, is facilitated. Gross domestic product (GDP) increases by an estimated 10.5 percent in the first year alone. The FairTax as proposed raises the economy’s capital stock by 42 percent, its labor supply by 4 percent, its output by 12 percent, and its real wage rate by 8 percent.
As U.S. companies and individuals repatriate, on a tax-free basis, income generated overseas, huge amounts of new capital flood into the United States. With such a huge capital supply, real interest rates remain low. Additionally, other international investors will seek to invest here to avoid taxes on income in their own countries, thereby further spurring the growth of our own economy.
Doesn't matter if it is "replacement" or "reform". No matter what vessel is used to generate revenue for the fedgov is there will be the equivalent of the IRS to oversee the collection of such revenue.
I'm actually quite in favor of the FairTax as a possibility, but it won't get rid of the IRS.
Nope. No flat tax either. Watch the film Freedom to Facism by the late Aaron Russo.
Eliminate the income tax and the economy might start hopping and jumping.
The only fair tax is sales tax as it is consumer based. Property tax is not fair. Any form of income tax is not fair. Don’t nurture parasites.
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