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Boeing union vote would end traditional pension
cnn ^ | November 13, 2013: | Chris Isidore

Posted on 11/13/2013 4:03:44 PM PST by mdittmar

Members of the Machinists union vote today on a contract with Boeing that the aircraft maker says will determine whether it will build the next generation of its 777 jets at its Seattle manufacturing hub.

About 20,000 jobs at Boeing and its suppliers are riding on the decision of where to build the 777X, which is set to become a key part of its fleet.

Also at stake is the Machinsts' pension plan, which will be converted into a 401(k) type of retirement program if the contract is approved.

That change has sparked anger among Boeing workers, and raised the odds that the union will vote no on the deal. That could stir up labor unrest that could hurt both Boeing and its airline customers. The Machinists represent 33,000 of the 84,000 Boeing employees in Washington state.

Results of the vote will be reported late Wednesday.

(Excerpt) Read more at money.cnn.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: boeing; manufacturing; pensions; unions
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What will they do?
1 posted on 11/13/2013 4:03:44 PM PST by mdittmar
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Cut their own throats. Guaranteed.


2 posted on 11/13/2013 4:27:08 PM PST by 17th Miss Regt
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Considering the pension plan now, ain’t gunna happen! It is generous to say the least.


3 posted on 11/13/2013 4:28:57 PM PST by CodeToad (When ignorance rules a person's decision they are resorting to superstition.)
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To: 17th Miss Regt

I do believe that you’re right. But mostly because of the machinists own voting record. As for union votes in general there recently was a grocery workers union vote that was sure to go against the contract but went the other way. And the gas workers at PAS (a local utility company) are expected to reject their proposed contract because of similar pension issues.


4 posted on 11/13/2013 4:40:23 PM PST by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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PAS=PSE


5 posted on 11/13/2013 4:40:39 PM PST by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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They will screw themselves with a vengeance! The IAM has more loser-leaders than most unions. ALPA, the pilot union, is second...pity that these dolts are all in the same industry!
6 posted on 11/13/2013 5:02:54 PM PST by BatGuano (You don't think I'd go into combat with loose change in my pocket, do ya?)
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To: 17th Miss Regt

They are emboldened by the union thug in the White House. However, his declining popularity could explode in their faces. I doubt they will be able to see beyond this. Suspect they will vote “no”, Boeing will try to move, and then the battle will be whether the federal government will prevent that from happening. Obamacare has so crippled the Democrats that the union will lose to a right to work state. Tough noogies.


7 posted on 11/13/2013 5:07:26 PM PST by johniegrad
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That is very sad, but true. Boeing moves, and Seattle will be very damaged economically.

There's only so many high-tech companies, and without the manufacturing jobs many people will be hurt.

Not just Boeing employees, but the businesses that depend on the workers and their purchasing power.

Like ANY business, if a union pushes too far, instead of getting 75% of what they want, they'll end up with nothing.

8 posted on 11/13/2013 5:17:49 PM PST by boop (I had no IDEA I'd be paying for Obamacare. I thought it would be a rich guy.)
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Wroblewski, president of the union’s district 751 in the Seattle tore up the new contract and called it a piece of crap....

That doesn’t sound like a bargain is in the works.

I hope Boeing leaves Seattle.


9 posted on 11/13/2013 5:23:51 PM PST by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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The pension is already dead.

The only question to resolve is will the union die also.
10 posted on 11/13/2013 5:24:46 PM PST by Darteaus94025 (Fascist President)
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Yep, they should move the manufacturing to Texas. Plenty of room out west with very low humidity. Right to work state. No place like Texas!


11 posted on 11/13/2013 5:31:49 PM PST by reader25
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Most non-union divisions of Boeing did away with pensions, in favor of 401k plans, a few years ago. They’re very good 401k plans, but still don’t hold a candle to a pension plan.


12 posted on 11/13/2013 5:47:32 PM PST by Washi
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13 posted on 11/13/2013 5:52:27 PM PST by Ice Cube
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We had a chance at Boeing corporate coming to Texas.
They went to Chicago stating “quality of living”.


14 posted on 11/13/2013 6:16:13 PM PST by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: 17th Miss Regt
When I worked aerospace in San Diego the machinists would go on strike every time the contract came due. They would take union strike pay for three weeks or so for a 15 cent increase in their hourly wage. Then they would complain the strike took up all their savings.

The only people that got full pay were the union stewards and officers.

15 posted on 11/13/2013 6:20:52 PM PST by pfflier
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I just hope that Boeing is serious and is currently pursuing alternative locations for less brainless hoods to build their airliners...

Not flying Boeing aircraft is not an option for me.

Incidentally, can we expect to see the current crop of hoods start sabotaging the construction of new aircraft as we have seen in the past?

16 posted on 11/13/2013 6:34:27 PM PST by publius911 (At least Nixon had the good grace to resign!)
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Boeing is planning on building a new plant for outter engine parts in South Carolina.
Hope Being moves all the production of the new 777-X to right to work states and leaves Seattle behind.
17 posted on 11/13/2013 7:05:42 PM PST by American Constitutionalist
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To: mylife

Hope they’re enjoying the great Chi-Town experience of bankrupt public services, hate whitey flash mobs and out-of-control gang violence.


18 posted on 11/13/2013 7:40:28 PM PST by pierrem15 (Claudius: "Let all the poisons that lurk in the mud hatch out.")
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We had a chance at Boeing corporate coming to Texas.

They went to Chicago stating “quality of living”.

Now THAT is hilarious !!

19 posted on 11/14/2013 11:32:09 AM PST by jimt (Fear is the darkroom where negatives are developed.)
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And Boeing still got hosed by the Baraqqi regime over the SC plant, right?
So their attempt to curry favor with the Chicago mob and Clinton Crime Family was fruitless anyway.


20 posted on 11/14/2013 11:34:52 AM PST by nascarnation (Baraq's 3rd term: squaw Warren? Lord help us!)
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