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Seniors lose insurance and doctors under Obamacare [Thank you, AARP /sarc]
The Daily Caller ^ | 11/8/2013 | Evan Gahr

Posted on 11/08/2013 6:43:37 PM PST by markomalley

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To: markomalley
MIT professor Jonathan Gruber, architect of the Massachusetts health insurance law that was the model for Obamacare, told the Daily Caller that seniors who stand to lose their doctors and Medicare Advantage plans must be sacrificed for the greater good.

Whatever maggot-infested natural calamity befalls scum-of-the-earth Jonathan Gruber (and his employer) can't be too undeserved.

21 posted on 11/08/2013 8:00:09 PM PST by Carl Vehse
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To: OldPossum

“One pays a severe price sometimes for being ignorant.”

How do you figure? I’ve been a conservative all of my 73 years, and I’ve had my Medicare HMO cancelled. I hate to break it to you, but with respect to seniors, I will bet you that a large percentage of seniors are also conservative and are suffering along with the libs. The only difference is that we didn’t vote for the idiots who “designed” FUBOCare.


22 posted on 11/08/2013 8:44:09 PM PST by vette6387
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To: markomalley

I can’t wait for them to Rostenkowski his ass. Obama will rue the day he messed with the old folks.


23 posted on 11/08/2013 8:56:56 PM PST by Lurkina.n.Learnin (If global warming exists I hope it is strong enough to reverse the Big Government snowball)
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To: markomalley

Every dead senior is 3 more Rat votes.


24 posted on 11/08/2013 9:08:01 PM PST by Kozak ("Send them back your fierce defiance! Stamp upon the cursed alliance! To arms, to arms....."e)
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To: sport

You probably aren’t old enough to have even tasted my mothers cooking punk, she was murdered in 1996 at the age of 87.


25 posted on 11/08/2013 9:17:43 PM PST by dalereed
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To: Mastador1
The really neat thing is that seniors are huge voting block and obamaramadingdong and the demonrats are really pissing them off.

Until the non-stop robocalls "inform" them that it was really the dirty rotten Pubs that did this to them.

26 posted on 11/08/2013 9:24:57 PM PST by Mygirlsmom (You know something's really wrong when the salesman keeps selling long after the close.)
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To: Rusty0604
From AARP forum 08/12:The TRUTH is...the medicare savings will add another 8-10 years of solvency to Medicare without touching benefits...and the TOTAL TRUTH is that AARP will continue to propagandize that big cuts in Medicare to try to make the Affordable Care Act look affordable will not hurt seniors because they make hundreds of millions every year selling Medicare gap policies to take the place of the Advantage policies targeted specifically by the cuts - since they don't affect all seniors very much, but only those with Advantage plans, AARP continues the big lie.....
27 posted on 11/08/2013 9:26:44 PM PST by Intolerant in NJ
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To: markomalley

Not to worry, I’ve heard that Obama is going to give people allowances against purchases of dog food.


28 posted on 11/08/2013 9:51:13 PM PST by Rembrandt (Part of the 51% who pay Federal taxes)
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To: markomalley

>>MIT professor Jonathan Gruber, architecht of the Massachusetts health insurance law that was the model for Obamacare, told the Daily Caller that seniors who stand to lose their doctors and Medicare Advantage plans must be sacrificed for the greater good.

“It is a tiny effect compared to the benefits of this law. There is small fraction of Americans who might need to change doctors or plans because of the law.”??

Spoken like a true Communist.


29 posted on 11/08/2013 10:17:40 PM PST by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners. And to the NSA trolls, FU)
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To: Ciexyz

The script is already written:

1. The web site will be deemed operational by the 10th of December....although there’s a lack of security with ID fraud noticed, and it will still tank out because it just can’t handle hundreds of thousands logging in at the same time.

2. January will come with shock. They just didn’t get the numbers of young people they expected, and the WH huddles quietly and wondering just how big a deal this is.

3. By March of 2014, folks are falling into deductible shock. They were used to 1,500-to-3,000 dollar deductibles. This new game of $5,000-to-$7,500 deductibles....invites savings they don’t have. One brief emergency room visit in March....suddenly turns into a $5,200 bill that the citizen has to pay...not the insurance company. No one has cash laying around to fit into the new deductible deal. The low-wage idiots who got the subsidy stuff? Well...subsidy isn’t there to help with the deductible business, and they are stuck with bills that they cannot ever pay.

4. July and August come. The insurance companies have crunched the numbers and pump up rates for 2015. You guessed it....everyone has double the rate of the 2014. It’s mostly because younger people didn’t flock to the system. But there’s this discovery of another ten million people who had health insurance in 2013, but now have none because of the cost factor and confusion.

5. The election of 2014 is all about costs of health care. Democrats can’t explain nothing, and act confused because they don’t understand what they voted for. Republicans end up with 52 senate seats. The President sits there in a daze in Dec of 2014...wondering how you move ahead for the remaining two years.

6. Massive complaints are lodged on the national scale over healthcare. Everyone now agrees....single payer must occur. The health industry, the doctors, and the hospitals...absolutely don’t want it and lobby against it. Single payer arrives somewhere after the 2016 election and is the carrier of the new President (whether Republican or Democrat).

7. Single payer requires limits on cost, and mandates what doctors or hospitals can charge. Single payer also kicks in personal limits. You got cancer, smoke, and over sixty-five? They won’t provide any treatment, and you die. You weigh 280 lbs and need a hip replacement....forget it unless you lose eighty pounds. Lawyers step in and start to sue. Per day....at least 1,500 cases are posted in court over single payer and the limits. Millions are paid weekly by the government for damages. Single payer bankrupts the system in less than four years, and is considered a complete failure.

There’s no script beyond that point because there’s simply no solution beyond single payer. No other plan B. No way out of the pit.

It’s going to make for a great movie.


30 posted on 11/08/2013 10:34:15 PM PST by pepsionice
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To: markomalley
But Mr. Edward Schokowitz can rejoice in the fact that he can now get prenatal care, and a breast milk pump. FREE! (it's covered by his now higher premiums!)
31 posted on 11/09/2013 2:28:20 AM PST by Cowboy Bob (They are called "Liberals" because the word "parasite" was already taken.)
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To: dalereed

I am sorry to hear that she was murdered.


32 posted on 11/09/2013 4:35:56 AM PST by sport
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To: markomalley

Bump


33 posted on 11/09/2013 4:39:21 AM PST by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: D Rider; mickie; pax_et_bonum
"......must be sacrificed for the greater good".

One of the premier marxist slogans for more than a century.

Right up there with "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need".....(Karl Marx, 1875).

Not to mention right up there with "We are 5 days away from fundamentally changing the United States of America"......(Obammie the Commie, 2008)

Leni

34 posted on 11/09/2013 5:07:05 AM PST by MinuteGal
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To: vette6387

You missed my reference. It was to the gentleman referenced at the beginning of the story. It was suggested that because he was a New Jersey resident there was a good chance that he voted for Obama and other Democrats.


35 posted on 11/09/2013 5:54:50 AM PST by OldPossum ("It's" is the contraction of "it" and "is"; think about its implications.)
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To: markomalley

Interesting article describing how Obamacare policies are impacting Medicare/Medicare Advantage.

Several months ago, several talkshow hosts and guest commentators on news programs would say that Medicare was going to be severely impacted when Obamacare actually starts. However, none of them ever went into any details. Most of their commentaries involved what they expected to happen to non-Medicare young individuals and middle class, middle age families.

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Medicare Advantage has always been rather fluid since it began about 6 years ago.

In my state, there were originally about 8 different companies offering a total of some 40 different plans. At the end of each year, some plans/companies dropped out for the next year, and some new companies/plans were added. The net total seemed to be a few less companies/plans each new year.

For 2013, we had about 6 companies with various plans. Due to local medical refusing some and allowing others, the ‘real’ choices were limited to about 4 companies and a couple of plans from each.

For 2014, the company I used for the previous 3 years dropped out completely. Thus, I have to change to some other plan/company or return to regular Medicare. Looking at the options available, what plans had my regular doctor on its provider list, and what plans/companies the local doctor/hospital would accept, I was limited to 3 choices.

One choice had medical and drug coverage, but it had a $150/year deductible on drugs. My 4 prescriptions are generic, so I would barely reach the $150. Thus, most of my drugs would be out-of-pocket, even with drug coverage.

Another choice did not cover drugs, so I would have to have a separate drug policy which would be an additional premium cost each month. Medicare makes it mandatory to have approved drug coverage, either in a Medicare Advantage plan or in a separate drug plan.

Luckily, after checking with my doctor and local hospital, they were now accepting plans from a company they would not accept for the previous 4 years. One plan covers drugs without deductibles (medical nor drugs) and without additional premium cost over the regular mandatory Medicare Part B premium.

I fully expect for 2015, either Medicare Advantage will be gone or the premiums will be significantly more. We won’t know until the ‘Medicare and You 2015’ information is released in mid-September 2014.


36 posted on 11/09/2013 6:07:05 AM PST by TomGuy (.)
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To: donaldo

I will never have anything to do with AARP.


http://amac.us/

:wq


37 posted on 11/09/2013 6:45:34 AM PST by Peet (Oderint dum metuant)
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To: MinuteGal

Exactly! A tradition of evil.


38 posted on 11/09/2013 6:51:13 AM PST by D Rider
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To: markomalley
They are of-a-kind, aren't they?

From the article above:
MIT professor Jonathan Gruber, architecht of the Massachuseets health insurance law that was the model for Obamacare, told the Daily Caller that seniors who stand to lose their doctors and Medicare Advantage plans must be sacrificed for the greater good.

From 0bama's pal William Ayers' organization:

FBI Informant Reveals Weather Underground Advocated "Killing 25 Million Americans."

     I asked, "well what is going to happen to those people we can't
     reeducate, that are diehard capitalists?" and the reply was that
     they'd have to be eliminated.

    And when I pursued this further, they estimated they would have to
    eliminate 25 million people in these reeducation centers.

    And when I say "eliminate," I mean "kill."

    Twenty-five million people.

    I want you to imagine sitting in a room with 25 people, most of which
    have graduate degrees, from Columbia and other well-known educational
    centers, and hear them figuring out the logistics for the elimination
    of 25 million people.

    And they were dead serious.


39 posted on 11/09/2013 8:04:27 AM PST by Peet (Oderint dum metuant)
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To: OldPossum

“It was suggested that because he was a New Jersey resident there was a good chance that he voted for Obama and other Democrats.”

I got that. But you don’t know he’s a liberal for a fact ( he’s a retired chemist so maybe he was a Republican) and the sad fact of the matter is that this law hurts people without regard to political affiliation. That we have roughly half the population that are Gibbsmedats, is a sad commentary on us as a country, but maybe the worm will turn as these “who expect others to take care of them” being to really find out that there is no free lunch.


40 posted on 11/09/2013 8:20:00 AM PST by vette6387
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