It mattereth not how it is defined; the TACTIC is the same: an attempt to get the other fellow of target and into DEFENDING himself.
Do ANY of you "damned " SLC mormons reading reply #104, who has gotten any information from your church, that old B.Y. was:
1. Speaking the very words of GOD
2. Drunk
3. On peyote
4. REALLY upset at SOMEone
5. Or just running his mouth as a man: a mere mortal, prone to the slings and arrows that beset us all or do you
6. just accept the FACT that you are, truly, damned for not following your Scripture found in D&C 132:58-66?