Posted on 10/29/2013 9:02:51 AM PDT by txrangerette
“You bring disgrace to FR and debate.”
Yeah, right. You just don’t like people going to your level and using your words and tactics. Liberals do that. They use personal attacks at will but try to tell conservatives they must operate at a higher level. Guess what? I don’t care! I could care less what you think of my tactics. I’ll use whatever I need to. Crybaby ran to the admin mod because he refuses to read something and then misquotes what it means and got called on it. Whaaa!
Go cry us a river.
“Lesbian Couple, Gay Man Listed as Three Parents on Baby’s Birth Certificate “
Brings up a whole set of issues with this internet lawyering of “it takes tow parents”. What if there are three women on the birth certificate ad no mention of the birth mother or father. What then?
Consider that the US Constitution did not detail NBC because it was a foregone conclusion at the time of the Constitution (ca. 1783)
To whit; why would we define the term “newborn infant” when everyone knows what that describes?
Dude.
“Crybaby” copied the Admin Moderator because you insulted me personally. I did not use the abuse button which is, by nature, an actionable level.
Shall we discuss your mother’s virtue prior to her marrying your father?
“I have long been of the opinion that statutory citizens at birth are not natural-born citizens “
I believe you are wrong about that. A US citizen in a foreign country not having immigrated has no right to declare their child to be a citizen of that country, ergo, the child is a citizen of the parent’s country. If the parents are citizens of two differing countries then the mother’s citizenship passes.
Read my comments in the top of this thread: A visiting woman crosses the border to shop, goes into labor, and the child looses their birth right and the other country must accept her child as theirs? No way. I don’t believe in anchor babies.
Congress codified the law as to who is naturally a citizen and who must naturalize in 8 USC 1401, as it codifies other rights. In no way are there “statutory citizens”. Either a person is naturally a US citizen or not.
There is no such thing as “natural law” when it comes to law. Natural law is gravity, not citizenships.
Thanks, and thanks for reading that case.
Go bs some one else with your pap. Intelligent people can debate without calling names and debasing others opinions.
That's what libtards do, you've evidently taken the pages from their playbook to heart.
My words and tactics????LOL!!!!!
Point out to where I've called any one a name on this thread...DO IT!!!
I've been on these threads arguing NBC = 2 Citizen parents since 2008, I don't change with the wind "FRiend"
I have no respect for liberals or anyone that tries to harm the conservative cause. You don’t even read cases you quote and then continue to lie about the cases to bash Cruz. In no way could your being wrong about the courts judgment be a case of bad reading comprehension. It must be intentional.
Ron - don’t disagree with your points. But I was responding to the notion that we not run Cruz until we have a SC ruling. It’s been five years with very little happening. So I find the idea that we wait for some Obama ruling to be absurd. I doubt we can put any faith in a SC ruling happening anytime soon saying Obama is not President.
My main problem is deeper. I am just sick of this notion of always staying on defense and worried that we can’t run Cruz until we get permission.
LOL...I disagree because NBC is au natural, it needs no statutes. Two citizen parents, born on the soil, there is no doubt.
All other circumstances cause doubt. The former leaves no doubt, just what the Founders intended, imo.
Oh...OK!
I have read M v. H. and find that it supports ny assertions regarding NBC. Thanks for playing!
[sarc] SoConPubbie, according to POST #165 no longer has a valid argument in this dicsussion. Thanks for participating and we have some nice parting gifts for you. [/sarc]
Well, as one idiot to another, I have not only read this essay multiple times, I even conducted my own research into the term "Natural Born Citizen". The term stems from British Natural Law, something that the Founding Fathers would have used as a reference when they began writing the Constitution.
Under British Natural Law, a Natural Born Citizen is one whose parents were both citizens of Britain and subject to British domain. In addition, a Natural Born British citizen derived his/her citizenship from the parents according to the following formula - 2/3rds of the offspring's citizenship was derived from the father and the remaining 1/3rd was derived from the mother.
If we extend the British definition to both Cruz and zero, neither are eligible under the Natural Born Citizen requirement because neither was born on American soil and, at best, both are only 1/3rd American citizens since their mothers were American citizens.
The British adopted their version of Natural Law from Aristotle's creation and definition of Natural Law. And, the British concept was what the Founding Fathers predicated the Natural Born Citizen requirement for American presidential candidates.
We know, from a variety of sources that zero was born in Kenya, not Hawaii as he claims, and his father was Kenyan. So, under the Natural Born Citizen requirement, he doesn't qualify. Sen. Cruz was born in Canada to a Cuban father and an American mother. Again, like zero, Cruz doesn't meet the Natural Born Citizen requirement.
However, while he doesn't meet the POTUS eligibility requirement, I would certainly support and endorse him for VP. There is nothing that I have seen that would preclude him from being VP. As President of the Senate, Cruz would be an instrumental member, bringing some sanity and control back to a legislative body that is, currently, out of control.
yes...yes
intentional and ignorant of itelligent deliberation.
Well, if you are determined to consign matters of law and the Constitution to being my opinion, so be it.
However, if you spend a little time investigating these issues as I have, you will begin to see that they are matters of legal fact.
I'm sorry that you don't agree, there's nothing that says either of us have to. And, since you have convinced yourself that I am an illiterate idiot, I think this is one issue in which we will have to agree to disagree, ok?
Amen FRiend, we are truly living in times that “test men’s souls”
“You bring disgrace to FR and debate. “
Why don’t you just go back to McCain’s office and tell each other how “gentlemanly” your arguments are. I am tired of playing kissy face with people that intend to me harm.
I’m not desperate to vilify Cruz but I am a bit desperate to see that the Founders and my Constitution are not perverted to/for the likes of Obama and his enablers. I admire Cruz very much but my admiration for the Constitution and It’s integrity are foremost. One belief I hold is that the Founders knew what they wanted said even though they might have said more. Having worked in government at the local executive level for a number of years I am very acquainted with codifying legislative laws. As such I don’t believe U.S.C. 1401 as code removes the distinction between plain ‘citizen’ and the more elaborate ‘natural born citizen’. Nothing against Cruz as a patriot but certainly much against Obama and his enablers including the 50+or- shills that voted for him.
There are certain threads that I try to avoid on FR because the lions will come after you and rip your throat out. Saying unpopular things will get you flamed here and, if you aren't wearing your asbestos undies, you'll get burned.
Unfortunately, the issue of NBC has been so muddied by teachers, courts and politicians, most of whom don't like or understand either the meaning or the intent of the NBC requirement, that incurring the wrath of others here is to be expected.
I'm sorry that you got hung out to dry the past couple of days. However, as long as the prevailing opinion of NBC remains so muddy and so many people don't understand the ramifications, if you stand by the law against a popular politician like Cruz, you better have a fire extinguisher handy!
You bring disgrace by stooping to the level of name calling those who have disagreement.
Grow up.
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