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To: BuckeyeTexan

“I have long been of the opinion that statutory citizens at birth are not natural-born citizens “

I believe you are wrong about that. A US citizen in a foreign country not having immigrated has no right to declare their child to be a citizen of that country, ergo, the child is a citizen of the parent’s country. If the parents are citizens of two differing countries then the mother’s citizenship passes.

Read my comments in the top of this thread: A visiting woman crosses the border to shop, goes into labor, and the child looses their birth right and the other country must accept her child as theirs? No way. I don’t believe in anchor babies.

Congress codified the law as to who is naturally a citizen and who must naturalize in 8 USC 1401, as it codifies other rights. In no way are there “statutory citizens”. Either a person is naturally a US citizen or not.

There is no such thing as “natural law” when it comes to law. Natural law is gravity, not citizenships.


186 posted on 10/29/2013 1:59:27 PM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: CodeToad
There is no such thing as “natural law” when it comes to law.

That's weird since Blacks LAW Dictionary has had a definition of Natural Law for a long time now.

Black’s Law Dictionary, Abridged 7th Edition, Copyright 2000, (page 841)
Natural law
1). A physical law of nature
2). A philosophical system of legal and moral principles purportedly derived from a universalized conception of human nature and divine justice rather than from legislative or judicial action; moral law embodied in principles of right and wrong --- Also termed law of nature; natural justice; lex aeterna; eternal law; lex naturae; divine law; jus divinum; jus naturale; jus naturae; normative jurisprudence. Cf. FUNDEMENTAL LAW POSITIVE LAW

Here's Law.coms online definition -

Natural Law
n. 1) standards of conduct derived from traditional moral principles (first mentioned by Roman jurists in the first century A.D.) and/or God's law and will. The biblical ten commandments, such as "thou shall not kill," are often included in those principles. Natural law assumes that all people believe in the same Judeo-Christian God and thus share an understanding of natural law premises.
2) the body of laws derived from nature and reason, embodied in the Declaration of Independence assertion that "all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their creator with certain inalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness."
3) the opposite of "positive law," which is created by mankind through the state.

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So far you've flung foul language and insults at people for simply disagreeing with you and I've refrained from pointing out your repeated hypocrisy...... but I will not remain silent while you or anyone else attempts to pervert the Intent of the Constitution by promoting the LIE there is no such thing as Natural Law, because whether you realize it or not..... Natural Law is where our inalienable rights are!

John Adams, Rights of the Colonists, 1772;
If men through fear, fraud or mistake, should in terms renounce and give up any essential natural right, the eternal law of reason and the great end of society, would absolutely vacate such renunciation; the right to freedom being the gift of God Almighty, it is not in the power of Man to alienate this gift, and voluntarily become a slave.

Thomas Jefferson, Rights of British America, 1774:
That these are our grievances which we have thus laid before his majesty, with that freedom of language and sentiment which becomes a free people claiming their rights as derived from the laws of nature, and not as the gift of their chief magistrate.

237 posted on 10/29/2013 3:24:39 PM PDT by MamaTexan (Due to the newly adopted policy at FR, every post I make may be my last.)
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To: CodeToad
In no way are there "statutory citizens."

Sorry, FRiend. That is totally false. The United States Code that you quote is statutory law.

Cruz is a statutory natural-born citizen, meaning that his citizenship was granted at birth by federal statutue through the principle of jus sanguinis (via bloodline) as opposed to being granted at birth by the 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution through the principle of jus soli (via place of birth).

The Foreign Affairs manual states:

7 FAM 1131.6-2 Eligibility for Presidency
(TL:CON-68; 04-01-1998)

a. It has never been determined definitively by a court whether a person who acquired U.S. citizenship by birth abroad to U.S. citizens is a natural born citizen within the meaning of Article II of the Constitution and, therefore, eligible for the Presidency.
(...)
d. (snip) In any event, the fact that someone is a natural born citizen pursuant to a statute does not necessarily imply that he or she is such a citizen for Constitutional purposes.

The U.S. government absolutely does recognize the concept of statutory citizenship.
338 posted on 10/29/2013 6:47:46 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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