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'We've reached the end of antibiotics': Top CDC expert declares
The Daily Mail ^ | 26 October 2013 | SNEJANA FARBEROV

Posted on 10/26/2013 10:13:54 AM PDT by MinorityRepublican

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To: MinorityRepublican

But at least cattle ranchers and those who raise pigs and chickens on factory farms have their PROFITS! When their children or grandchildren die from an infection that could have been easily treated 5 years ago, at least they can say they made their PROFITS! Stinking bastards. Along with every hypochondriac who if they got a headache they ran to the doctor and demanded anti-biotics. Hell of a lot of people are going to have to needlessly suffer and die because of greed and stupidity.


101 posted on 10/26/2013 8:04:21 PM PDT by chessplayer
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To: dforest

This is pure bull.


And your medical qualifications are???


102 posted on 10/26/2013 8:05:29 PM PDT by chessplayer
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To: B4Ranch

I actually did some research as well, you changed my mind and thank you for this. I made purchase of some 35% peroxide. Thx! :-)


103 posted on 10/26/2013 8:54:51 PM PDT by SgtHooper (If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you.)
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To: dr_lew
"I almost wish that I might live my life over again to see the wonders which are at the threshold.[4]"

Old Skool anti-0bammian.

104 posted on 10/26/2013 8:55:33 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: 1rudeboy

Yeah, drug resistant TB Is old school?


105 posted on 10/27/2013 2:20:53 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: chessplayer

Not as good a yours I am sure. I don’t know that I trust that gay looking little CDC associate director, especially at a time the O admin is prepping death panels for us.


106 posted on 10/27/2013 3:39:37 AM PDT by dforest
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To: Marie

You sound like a reasonable person, and amenable to education and rational argument. Many of the patients we see are not. I’ve gone the education route with parents and earaches ( 90+% are NOT bacterial and don’t need an antibiotic). And then they go to their pediatrician, or the urgent care and get the antibiotic, and then write a patient complaint about the stupid doctor, who wouldn’t write for the antibiotic and their child got the antibiotic and was better in 2-3 days. Can’t tell you how many times I’ve had parents demanding a CT for a child who bumped their head and has no indication for CT. Try to explain to them the amount of radiation involved ( like 50+ chest xrays) the cumulative effect of radiation over a lifetime etc etc etc. How big an ugly scene do you think I can take over and over in a busy ER?

Narcotics. Pain is now the “5th vital sign”. Don’t “adequately address their pain”, which to a drug seeker is narcotics and only narcotics ( “I’m allergic to tylenol,NSAIDS, Toradol, tramadol”) and they file a patient complaint, or worse. Not that you didn’t give them a fix, no you were “uncaring, rude, didn’t take their complaint seriously” etc etc. I’ve been in practice for nearly 30 years NEVER had a complaint from a state med board never been sued. One day 2 years ago I get 3 in the mail the same day. I go check the charts and it’s a woman with foot pain, her husband with back pain, and a friend with chest pain. Long story short I was able to demonstrate they had conspired together ( forgery of letters and signatures ) and I had done everything appropriately but they threatened my ability to feed my family. I was lucky, I didn’t need to hire a lawyer like many of my colleagues. And you know what? The woman had the balls to show up BACK IN MY ER. I had to go see her for her “back pain” ( I made the nurse stay in the room the ENTIRE encounter from start to finish so I had a witness.

Currently the big push by management is “customer service” Note customer NOT patients. Customers get what they want. Patients get what they need. Also the “customer” and the patient may not be synonymous. The customer is the one who pays the bill. That may be the patient, or their boss, or the insurance company or Medicaid. Management now likes to use a “Disney” customer service model. News flash the ER is NOT a trip to Disneyland. Over my career I’ve seen less and less respect for my knowledge, training and judgement. “I read on the internet”, “I have a sister who is an LPN in a nursing home who said”, the fact I’m a residency trained, board certified specialist with nearly 30 year experience who is actually evaluating the patient doesn’t matter. The attitude of administration is “make em happy, give them what they want”. Our pay, and jobs are tied into patient satisfaction surveys and ratings. That comes straight from CMS and the insurance companies. Woe to the ER doctor who doesn’t get good ratings.

Lately we’ve been told to hand out business cards, and tell the patients “ you may be getting a survey and unless we get rated excellent...”, sound familiar? Think car salesman. Not a professional, car salesman. That’s where we are now. That’s also where i drew the line. Not gonna do it. You would be shocked to know how many doctors are looking for an out and any other way to make a living. One of the biggest conferences currently is “ Non Clinical Jobs for Physicians”.

And you know what? The REALLY sick patients aren’t an issue. Helping a critical patient or someone in real distress is still rewarding and any staff member of an ER will tell you they live for those occasional patients.


107 posted on 10/27/2013 4:53:14 AM PDT by Kozak ("Send them back your fierce defiance! Stamp upon the cursed alliance! To arms, to arms.....")
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To: 1rudeboy
"Like I said, oh my.

Like I said, stupid.

"By your own admission, the problem is not illegal immigration."

WHERE do you get that I said anything remotely like that?? The "point" is that with legal immigrants/visitors, some level of prevention is at least possible. With illegals, it isn't.

So yes, the problem very much IS illegal immigration.

And why are you so hot to deny the very real problems that illegal immigration causes??

108 posted on 10/27/2013 5:38:32 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: Wonder Warthog
And why are you so hot to deny the very real problems that illegal immigration causes?

I refer you to my comment #35. As a general rule, it is best to read a thread before commenting on it . . . in this fashion, you don't appear silly.

109 posted on 10/27/2013 6:29:30 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: tacticalogic

Even on that point, it’s a losing proposition to try to equate the two equally. Sure there’s potential for the anitbiotic over time to cause a problem.

The Class II medication can kill you immediately.

One is a controlled substance. The other is not.

The prescribing process is different.

It’s just a totally different ball game.

Physicians are naturally more reticent to prescribe a Class II narcotic, so trying to compare the two in a situation regarding willingness to prescribe, is not an apples to apples situation.


110 posted on 10/27/2013 8:32:05 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (People will retain the power to control the Government, or it will retain the power to control them.)
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To: Marie

Thank you Marie. I will keep that in mind. I appreciate your willingness to move forward. I’m going through some things right now, so it could easily be that I’m compensating in a manner that isn’t fair to you. It isn’t intentional.


111 posted on 10/27/2013 8:34:22 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (People will retain the power to control the Government, or it will retain the power to control them.)
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To: DoughtyOne
Even on that point, it’s a losing proposition to try to equate the two equally. Sure there’s potential for the anitbiotic over time to cause a problem.

The Class II medication can kill you immediately.

Stuff that's OTC can kill you immediately, too. The does makes the poison.

The point is there are apparent good reasons to limit the use of antibiotics, regulations written by affirmative action beltway pencil pushers notwithstanding.

112 posted on 10/27/2013 8:42:10 AM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: MinorityRepublican

Campho-Phenique, Vicks and Cod Liver oil got me and my five siblings through childhood.


113 posted on 10/27/2013 9:10:08 AM PDT by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

one clarification: When I said “gargle with oregano oil” I mean put a dropper full into a bottle of mouthwash, or put a single drop in a mouthful of brine. You can’t just gargle oregano oil it BURNS undiluted. At least until you get used to it.

But I really like adding it to mouthwash. Just remember to give the bottle a shake each time before use as it is an oil so it tends to float. But they have ingredients in mouthwash that seems to keep oil in solution.


114 posted on 10/27/2013 9:11:42 AM PDT by DariusBane (Liberty and Risk. Flip sides of the same coin. So how much risk will YOU accept?)
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To: tacticalogic

The point is, it was not a reasoned comparison.


115 posted on 10/27/2013 9:27:59 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (People will retain the power to control the Government, or it will retain the power to control them.)
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To: DoughtyOne
The point is, it was not a reasoned comparison.

The reasons were provided.

116 posted on 10/27/2013 10:52:40 AM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: DariusBane; onyx
When I said “gargle with oregano oil” I mean put a dropper full into a bottle of mouthwash

Thanks, I thought that sounded a little intense, but after all...this is Freerepublic.

they have ingredients in mouthwash that seems to keep oil in solution.

Yes, alcohol.

It allows oil and water to mix. A little Everclear 190 should do the trick.

(just a small amount...heh heh)

117 posted on 10/27/2013 11:34:14 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER ("The government" is nothing but a RAT jobs program)
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To: tacticalogic

Yes. I’m glad you noticed. I provided a number of reasons why you’re wrong.

Thank you.


118 posted on 10/27/2013 12:56:35 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (People will retain the power to control the Government, or it will retain the power to control them.)
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To: DoughtyOne
I provided a number of reasons why you’re wrong.

The only one I saw was "because I said so".

You're welcome.

119 posted on 10/27/2013 1:07:34 PM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: tacticalogic

Please link folks to the post I made where you think I made that claim.


120 posted on 10/27/2013 1:18:27 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (People will retain the power to control the Government, or it will retain the power to control them.)
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