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HealthCare.Gov Needs Five Million Code Lines Rewritten
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Posted on 10/21/2013 6:55:49 AM PDT by Sub-Driver

HealthCare.Gov Needs Five Million Code Lines Rewritten By Andrew Johnson October 21, 2013 9:13 AM Comments 42

Obamacare’s online exchanges have been riddled with problems since they came online three weeks ago, and those issues may continue for at least the next few weeks. Contractors said fixing the problems by the November 1 deadline set by the administration would be “unrealistic,” according to the New York Times.

From the sluggish websites to garbled enrollment information, the flaws require the extensive rewriting of code: “One specialist said that as many as five million lines of software code may need to be rewritten before the Web site runs properly,” the Times reports — that’s out of a total of approximately 500 million lines of code, according to another expert.

Others experts warned that some of the website’s problem are yet to come. One technical specialist involved in the repair effort said, “The account creation and registration problems are masking the problems that will happen later.”


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: obamacarerollout; obamacaresoftware; obamacarewebsite
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To: Safrguns
Businesses with actual skin in the game understood the problem, and got it fixed right on time.

This is probably why Obama is so careless. Y2k was a an early fear that got the problem fixed. Even the government got things fixed. This 0bummer care program was not seriously addressed or they did not do due diligence. 0 is a clueless incompetent armature.

41 posted on 10/21/2013 7:32:37 AM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: Robert Teesdale

>>> Incompetence does not adequately explain it, and therefore as a professional in the industry I have to ascribe a certain purposefulness to the disaster unfolding.

Especially when you couple the utter disaster of the rollout with Obama’s unwillingness to even delay. Successful implementation of “the system” was NOT part of their design.

I really do believe they are more interested in people establishing accounts than they are getting people insured.


42 posted on 10/21/2013 7:32:55 AM PDT by Safrguns (PM me if you like to play Minecraft!)
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To: bigbob

I am in PM, and I see a wonderful outcome for the country: complete and total failure.

Can’t get any better than that. :)


43 posted on 10/21/2013 7:32:57 AM PDT by antidisestablishment (Islam delenda est)
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To: PapaBear3625
I think they just don’t want people to see the real issues relating to Obamacare until well after the 2014 elections.

The so called 'subsidies' to help pay for insurance are actually tax credits, but they can be paid in advance directly to the insurance companies. If you don't owe enough in taxes for TY2014, you will have to pay the IRS back for these credits. Most Obamaidiots won't find out about this until April, 2015, when they do their 2014 taxes, well after the 2014 elections.

44 posted on 10/21/2013 7:33:27 AM PDT by sportutegrl
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To: Resolute Conservative
But what if you reflect and your attributes are wrong and you factory object misinterprets the request and you “HIT” the wrong object? Ha ha I made a Laz funny.

Easy! I'd just instantiate a new class with a class decorator, serviced by a high-power singleton. Then using Model-View-Controller and Object-Orientation, I could create a prototype on-the-fly.

Gosh, this is SEXY!

45 posted on 10/21/2013 7:34:35 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Mr. K

I’m wondering how I can cash in.


46 posted on 10/21/2013 7:35:44 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Lazamataz

If its 5 million lines of code broken then multiply that by 5 as each line of broken code interacts with other code.....and that has to be corrected.


47 posted on 10/21/2013 7:38:46 AM PDT by dpetty121263
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To: PapaBear3625

Personally I don’t believe Zippo was supposed to be reelected until Benghazi made it necessary for him to be reelected to cover it up.

I believe this was designed to fail during a Romney presidency so Romney and the republicans could be blamed as doing it intentionally to deny Americans health care.


48 posted on 10/21/2013 7:39:11 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: Lazamataz

I don’t get much MVC, we MVVM and some multi-threading using Entity Framework backed objects... now I have done it, I come to FR to escape coding not let it come with me :)


49 posted on 10/21/2013 7:41:27 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: Travis McGee

To write 5 million lines of code of that type is about 1,000 man months just to write it. Toss in the typical government overhead of ‘management’, the endless meetings, document rewrites, etc, and that can easily be 50,000 man months.


50 posted on 10/21/2013 7:42:05 AM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: Lazamataz

“This counter-argument speaks to the concept of SCRUM and Agile, in which short cycle deployments are the norm. “

Yeah, sure, but I don’t want 9 babies, I just want 1 good one.


51 posted on 10/21/2013 7:43:26 AM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: OneWingedShark
Excuse me, but...

I am a Web/Software Developer/ System Admin who works primarily in PHP (also JS, JQuery, Linux - LAMP stack for short). Some of the biggest web systems out there are PHP based. Facebook, Yahoo, Amazon just to name a few.

You can see a full list here. Also, many of the initial errors I saw were java errors (tomcat server stack errors). In short, PHP is not the problem here.

As a programmer with almost 14 years under my belt, let me also state that I've worked on some pretty busy web systems (including ones now that help deliver news and commentary to many of you every day), and none of them had 5 million lines of code. That sounds like either hype, some contractor trying to hike up their fees, or complete spaghetti code.

But let's look at the bigger technical web picture here...

From a webdev standpoint, The HealthCare.gov website's functions should be as follows:

Sorry folks, but all that is Web Development 101, and even other government websites that do the same thing seem to work without a problem. I estimate the HealthCare.gov site could have been written in no more than 5000-6000 lines of code using existing open-source frameworks (and that's being generous).

From the reports I have read and the errors reports many of my colleagues have passed around, no load testing, unit testing, and very little Q/A was done with the site itself. Large, corporate web sites were build better for a fraction of the costs, and no errors.

In fact, the entire roll out of HealthCare.gov has been flawed. Let me put this in non-geek terms so everyone can understand:

Say Black Friday is coming. Right now, the big-box corps (Sears, Wal-Mart, Target, etc) are working on their promotions - a full rollout to start promoting BEFORE Thanksgiving, right? We're talking TV, radio, print AND web - all to start in November. Did you see any of this with failed HealthCare.gov?

No, you only saw Oct 1 get here, and media people could not even complete a form. Again, the whole rollout was flawed from the beginning, and if the Tea-Party fight forced the White House to push the site out before it's time - which many of us suspect, then Ted Cruz et al did their job - perhaps without even knowing it. Someone high up HAD to have seen these errors, and said "Launch it anyway"

I could go on, but I need to run into yet another scrum meeting, with other web developers.

52 posted on 10/21/2013 7:47:45 AM PDT by jimjohn
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To: Sub-Driver

You can have a competent coder, but if you give him an unrealistic deadline then it won’t work.

It’s possible that ObamaCare will be in even worse shape on November 1st.


53 posted on 10/21/2013 7:49:23 AM PDT by Noamie
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To: Safrguns
I agree that successful implementation was not intended.

I think the information gathering subsequent to account establishment is an indirect, secondary benefit to the primary objective of causing significant crash.
54 posted on 10/21/2013 7:52:58 AM PDT by Robert Teesdale
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To: mountainlion

No, Y2k was blown out of proportion. The largest part of the Y2K effort was to fix date formats and other date computations that would no longer work correctly at the change of the millenium. Problems like default century fields of 19 and software logic that would see 01 as 1901 instead of 2001.

It was a large and necessary effort that some scammers, MSM propagandists and others blew out of reality with the planes falling from the sky, power grids going down, etc.

A large part of the software base would not have correctly worked and needed to be fixed. Everything had to at least be evaluated.


55 posted on 10/21/2013 7:53:08 AM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: bigbob

“Anyone with a project management background see this ending well?”

I have managed large IT project for 20 years, and I can tell you right now they will have to delay the individual mandate by at least a year.

They might have a working system by this time next year if they are lucky. Very lucky.


56 posted on 10/21/2013 8:00:30 AM PDT by Raebie (WS)
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To: Sub-Driver
“One specialist said that as many as five million lines of software code may need to be rewritten before the Web site runs properly,” the Times reports — that’s out of a total of approximately 500 million lines of code, according to another expert.

Sure are alot of "experts" out there. Amazing the analysis they've performed in the last 3 weeks.

57 posted on 10/21/2013 8:03:19 AM PDT by TomServo
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To: Sub-Driver
The solution is quite simple:

Hire 100,000 IT coders, and simply require them to write 50 lines each. Of course, another 200,000 bureaucrats will be required to oversee them.

System integration? Irrelevant.

Time to success - infinity, but 300,000 jobs will be created, and the jobless numbers will look great (for a while).

58 posted on 10/21/2013 8:06:27 AM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Galileo: In science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of one individual)
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To: Sub-Driver
There isn't a single web site. It is comprised of many, many interconnects and web sites.


59 posted on 10/21/2013 8:06:44 AM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: Sub-Driver

Lets get a whole army of government employee, typewriter pounding code-monkeys cracking on this.

They will “solve” it while billions pours in from the government solidifying the bureaucratic base.


60 posted on 10/21/2013 8:10:05 AM PDT by rlmorel ("A nation, despicable by its weakness, forfeits even the privilege of being neutral." A. Hamilton)
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