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Need this for reference here as I always get challenged on it.
1 posted on 10/16/2013 7:50:01 AM PDT by sickoflibs
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Here ya go, feel free to reference this above:


2 posted on 10/16/2013 7:52:23 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US Citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position)
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But they will try to impose penalties and/or criminal charges in spite of the law.
Don’t trust the fascists currently in charge.


3 posted on 10/16/2013 7:55:04 AM PDT by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible traitors. Complicit in the destruction of our country.)
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Good information. My question - is this in the original bill? If so, what’s hidden in the 11.5M pages of regulations filed since?


4 posted on 10/16/2013 7:56:13 AM PDT by mykroar (China and Russia are playing chess while Obamas's playing 52 card pick-up.)
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What does it say in subchapter B of chapter 68?
5 posted on 10/16/2013 7:58:25 AM PDT by Marylander
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“At the discretion of the Secretary...”
“To be determined later...”
“At the discretion of the Committee...”


8 posted on 10/16/2013 8:05:19 AM PDT by Ingtar (The NSA - "We're the only part of government who actually listens to the people.")
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And income taxes are supposed to be voluntary.


9 posted on 10/16/2013 8:06:45 AM PDT by PhiloBedo (You gotta roll with the punches and get with what's real.)
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From my likely imperfect recollection of the my reading of the bill, this was contradicted at least twice in other sections. The thing wasn’t even internally consistent other than to give huge discretionary powers to Administrative branch officials and committees.


10 posted on 10/16/2013 8:08:04 AM PDT by Ingtar (The NSA - "We're the only part of government who actually listens to the people.")
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Say “Hi”, to Wesley Snipes when you check in!


11 posted on 10/16/2013 8:08:06 AM PDT by Darteaus94025 (Phony President)
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a) from what I hear, IRS will withhold it from refunds.

b) the big tizzy I saw posted on FR yesterday about individuals not being able to be collected from, that employers, corporations, etc., could, according to the Roberts opinion, missed the whole point. The point is that employers can be enforced upon. Employers are the collectors of tax, since businesses that want to sell of lot of goods and services by definition can’t hide. If I own a small garage, for example, I want to be incorporated - and I’m an employer. So, voila, I’m stuck. I can’t pick up my garage and move it, any time the Feds want me, they know where I and my bank accounts are. Big business, of course, is subject to the same concept - they withhold taxes from their workerbees, and can’t really avoid it without getting nailed. Same thing goes if information needs to be collected: IRS just has to design a form and tell business it needs to fill one out for every employee. This employer-focused strategy lets politicians who love or give in to imposing Obamacare on the sheeple a way to say that any mandates are not on individual sheeple (they just don’t say that the mandates are on the sheeples’ employers).


12 posted on 10/16/2013 8:08:16 AM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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So you don’t pay this year’s penalty/tax.

Next year, when you send the IRS a check to pay your income taxes, they first apply the funds against your previous years’ unpaid penalty/tax, and then what remains against next year’s income tax. You will thus be short on paying next year’s income tax, for which there definitely is legal repercussions.


13 posted on 10/16/2013 8:08:34 AM PDT by Monitor ("The urge to save humanity is almost always a false-front for the urge to rule it." - H. L. Mencken)
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I think these rules were added after the Supreme Court case where it was ruled that they can NOT force you to. buy health insurance. Roberts twist was that it was OK to tax you if you did not have health insurance, but that not having insurance is not a crime.


14 posted on 10/16/2013 8:09:01 AM PDT by BRK
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I figure you will just get audited year after year until you’re broken.

The tax code is so convoluted that for middle class people the odds are pretty good that they can find something with which to harass you and perhaps fine you.

Regardless of what the law actually says, there is a reason they choose the IRS as the enforcement arm. It is a rogue agency, run by leftist true believers that are loyal to a man who has no regard for the law or the Constitution.

They make a few highly publicized examples of the destruction of ordinary people, claiming with a wink and a nod that it has nothing to do with ObamaCare, and then they sit back and wait to see what happens.

I apologize up front for sounding negative. However, we are not dealing with pragmatic crooks here; we are dealing with genuine evil that has no limits to what it is capable of. And the idiot Republicans still think they can negotiate with such evil.

At times I think the GOPe is a collective Chamberlain-esq personality. Then I realize they are too hypocritical and venal to have the naive idealism of Chamberlain.


16 posted on 10/16/2013 8:10:10 AM PDT by ChildOfThe60s ((If you can remember the 60s.....you weren't really there)
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In Massachusetts you get a form like a 1099 from your insurer so that the penalty for not having insurance is waived from your tax return or it is added to your liability.


17 posted on 10/16/2013 8:10:30 AM PDT by edzo4 (You call us the 'Party Of No', I call us the resistance.)
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It seems to me that it doesnt really matter what the law says anymore. Especially if you happen to be a gay, black, illegal,
or jihadist voter.


21 posted on 10/16/2013 8:18:46 AM PDT by rwoodward ("god, guns and more ammo")
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Not to challenge that interpretation of the law but there is also a quaint tradition among IRS agents and judges of prosecuting so-called “tax protestors.” They seem to have it down to a routine, so that anything out of the ordinary causes both agents and judges to become highly agitated when confronted with actual law, and thus more likely to override actual law with their own prejudices. (I am not saying that it is legal or correct or morally right.)


23 posted on 10/16/2013 8:21:38 AM PDT by SteveH (First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win.)
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Good information and thank you for posting the “back up” to your continually making the enforcement statement. However, they are not following the law as it was passed right now, so why should they follow this aspect of the law?

What we do know is that no law is static and that they will eventully strengthen the enforcement of the fines. Either they will do it via regulations or by legislative fixing.


27 posted on 10/16/2013 8:23:28 AM PDT by CSM (Keeper of the Dave Ramsey Ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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Whew! What a relief! Thank goodness Obastard (or future Rat presidents) would never break the law.


29 posted on 10/16/2013 8:28:19 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (It's hard to accept the truth when the lies were exactly what you wanted to hear.)
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I've had similar discussions and some here keep telling me I'm wrong, but when I provide the Obamacare text in question proving my point, they stop responding.

Lets not do Obamas work and scare people into helping make Obama-care work.

Indeed.

32 posted on 10/16/2013 8:33:10 AM PDT by scripter
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Doesn’t say they won’t GARNISH your wages?

The IRS is VERY good at getting money from people. At least, from all us poor suckers who work for wages.


37 posted on 10/16/2013 8:39:17 AM PDT by SomeCallMeTim ( The best minds are not in government. If any were, business would hire them!)
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Wage garnishment. Only those receiving a paycheck will pay the penalties. The super rich and deadbeats, aka liberals, will not be subject to penalties.


41 posted on 10/16/2013 8:49:35 AM PDT by Justa
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