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To: Safrguns

“That cop did NOT hit the guy....look at the video... if the perp had got hit in the chest, he would NOT have been moving around like that.”

You sir, obviously have no self-defense, firearms, or medical training whatsoever. I am not attempting to be rude or condescending with such a statement, I am merely attempting to make an obvious factual statement.

The primary cause of death in cases of GSW (gunshot wound) is exsanguination - that is, blood loss. That can take several minutes to kill someone, and several minutes is a long-damned time when someone is pointing a gun at you and refusing to bleed out faster.

Even a hypothetical perfect shot in the “ten ring” that, again hypothetically due to ideal body positioning, perforates both lungs and damages some of the major blood vessels around the heart, such as the venae cavae, it may be several minutes before the person finally expires.

Fatal wounds do not mean instantly fatal nor instantly incapacitating.

As a mental exercise, hold your breath. While holding your breath, point your index finger at an object and start counting off seconds. If you had a gun in your hands, pointed at someone, and you lost the use of your lungs, how many seconds could you continue to pull the trigger? You may be a dead man standing, but you can still stand, and walk, and kill if you so choose. Likewise, your brain has enough blood in it to allow you to continue functioning for several seconds if all blood flow to it were cut off, plenty of time to squeeze off a couple of shots.

The reality is that you, or anyone else, can sustain fatal wounds and in many cases continue to function for several minutes. This is to be expected. This is not abnormal, it is normal. Any expectation contrary to this will leave you surprised and ineffective in a self-defense situation.


70 posted on 10/05/2013 7:26:19 AM PDT by jameslalor
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To: jameslalor

>>> You sir, obviously have no self-defense, firearms, or medical training whatsoever. I am not attempting to be rude or condescending with such a statement, I am merely attempting to make an obvious factual statement.

I have no combat EXPERIENCE. There is a big difference.
Fact is I DO have training.
I served as an M1 Tank commander, platoon leader and XO.
Served in the army reserve as an NCO before going active duty.
So, you should be more careful about your “obvious factual statements”, and reconsider whether or not you are being rude or condescending.


82 posted on 10/05/2013 8:33:03 AM PDT by Safrguns (PM me if you like to play Minecraft!)
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To: jameslalor

Thank you, and excellent post. There is no other logical interpretation of what unfolded. The other illogical interpretation that the perp killed himself a minute or so later using a shot to the chest with the kids in the car makes no sense. The autopsy/ballistics report will cinch the deal, of course.


88 posted on 10/05/2013 11:57:21 AM PDT by BlueStateRightist
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