Posted on 09/25/2013 10:54:39 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
Edited on 09/25/2013 11:03:36 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]
The Senate easily overcame Wednesday
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Wow. Just. WOW. It would behoove you to get the facts before commenting.
Not possible. After filibustering well into the night, Ted Cruz, at a MINIMUM, would not have voted to move the debate forward. I call super-BS on this article!!
As long as we are this divided we have no chance to win the Senate or the Presidency. Or repeal Obamacare.
That will be enough.
You aren't going to get unity as long as the GOP puts liberals up for office. Some of us won't vote for a liberal(R). That's just the way life is.
/johnny
cloture is a vote to end the debate they just voted to have. Ending the debate leads to the simple 51 member vote that passes an amendment stripping the defunding of ACA out of the house bill. It takes 60s votes to stop debate.
Update: Coburn is up now.
Cloture vote will be on Friday or Saturday, according to Cruz on Rush.
He asked us to get three people to sign the petition. How hard is that?
Cruz asked us to keep calling senators, to vote “NO” on cloture. How hard is that?
Senate rules are confusing by design.
“Can you explain the cloture issue for me, if you have time, or point me to a good explanation?”
Nope LOL!
However in regards to just this bill there are only two cloture votes: one to proceed to debate (the one that just happened) and one to end debate which will come Saturday or possibly Friday- or even Sunday.
That vote to end debate will mean that the Senate must then proceed to vote on the bill and any amendments pending.
One of the amendments pending will be from Harry Reid and it will be an “amendment in the nature of a substitute” or an “amendment to strike” which will replace the language of the House bill.
There will be no further cloture vote so Harry’s new bill (funding Obamacare and any other thing he wants) will pass with 51 votes.
That’s why Cruz wants to filibuster that second vote
THANK YOU!!!! Your words bear repeating over and over...
Look at FR today. All we’re doing is fighting each other, and not the Dems. The fact is we can’t repeal Obamacare with only control of the House. When people sat on their hands and refused to vote for Romney they lost the chance for repeal.
As long as we are this divided we have no chance to win the Senate or the Presidency. Or repeal Obamacare.
What you are seeing here is a Senator doing what he was elected to do, representing the PEOPLE, any way he can, using Senate rules dictated by Reid and the Democrats.
so doesn’t this open the bill up to debate and proposed ammendments from the floor? I’d think that’s better than no debate.
Thanks for the info.
The biggie is later on.
The facts don't bear that out. The RINOs are backstabbing Cruz and the others every chance they get. They're in backrooms working for Obamacare. McCain hasn't been with constituional conservatives once. We're better off with less Republican Senators, but constituional conservatives who actually believe their campaign rhetoric and can bring the case to the American people.
I'd rather word it "if the ptb in the Republican Party ran a presidential candidate who is a true constituional candidate, we wouldn't be in this mess. Next time around, there are some choices.
Amen!
As majority leader, Reid has the right of first recognition and will “fill the amendment tree” which means he’ll propose a bunch of amendments to the number limit so nobody else can propose any amendments.
This is what Cruz was talking about. No debate, no opportunity for amenement, just raw power. Reid disallows any changes, then comes cloture, then Reid proposes an amendment to strike after cloture is achieved, which will require a simple majority for passage. The amendment passes, no other amendments will be allowed, then the vote on the bill and back to the House with Obamacare defunding stripped.
This is why a vote for cloture is a vote for funding Obamacare.
At least we have someone who is fighting and publicizing the battle. This is the first time that we at least have some front row comversation regarding this issue. Well, other that McCain and Graham waving the white flag. you know it is going to pass anyway so why fight.
Glad McCain wasn’t around during WWII during the battle of the bulge or we would be speakig German right now.
“open the bill up to... proposed ammendments from the floor?”
There are rules about what amendments can be proposed.
I believe, am not sure yet, that Harry has proposed all the amendments that can be offered already -a process called “filling the amendment tree” which he has done 10 or 20 as many times as any other Majority Leader (the Majority gets to propose amendments first).
So, I believe no, there won’t be any amendments.
(Isn’t Senate procedure and the media that hides it grand?)
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