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To: BroJoeK

Sir you ignored the comparative texts. By your reasoning there would be more than one “First and Last.” That would mean two separate Deities. You keep saying “divine” but you were presented Colossians 2:9.


2,947 posted on 01/12/2014 9:53:51 PM PST by redleghunter
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To: redleghunter
redleghunter: "By your reasoning there would be more than one “First and Last.”
That would mean two separate Deities.

The interpretation I've presented and defended is that "First and Last" refers to Israel's God, Yahweh, or to God's plan (logos) for Jesus.
That is not two deities, it's one Deity with a Big Idea -- Jesus.

redleghunter: "You keep saying “divine” but you were presented Colossians 2:9."

But the issue there is not "Deity", it's "fullness".
And every time, without fail, I have referred you to the same "fullness" in Ephesians 3:19, which speaks of Christians' "fullness".
Plus, "fullness" appears in other verses (Ephesians 4:13, Collosians 3:10) where it refers to spiritual fullness, not one-becoming-the-other.

The fact remains that of all seven+ New Testament authors, the Trinity doctrine rests almost entirely on John's writings, and without John, there's no serious case to be made for it.
The question then remains: was John himself a real Trinitarian?
I think the case can be made and defended that he was not.

I am here to ask your forbearance and respect for those who believe the same way.

2,952 posted on 01/16/2014 5:06:28 AM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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