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To: redleghunter; CynicalBear
redleghunter to CynicalBear: "it is clear Who is Coming back in Revelation chapter 1 and that is “the Alpha and Omega” which is the Same in Isaiah 44, and there it is clearly YHWH, and in Revelation 1 it is clearly Jesus Christ, therefore YHWH is the God of Israel, and therefore Jesus Christ is YHWH."

FRiend, I've granted that is a valid interpretation, and have requested forbearance and respect for those Christians who interpret it differently.

2,837 posted on 01/05/2014 1:56:28 AM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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To: BroJoeK

Distinguishing Father and Son in pre-Incarnation revelation is not easy, and is further complicated by the fact that “Only the Son knows the Father, and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal Him.” It’s probably not worth the wrangle, because you’d have to tease the Trinity apart to do it and that’s knowledge at a God level, not at man’s level. The answer could be in the form of “both/and” if we could even understand it at the depth required.


2,838 posted on 01/05/2014 2:00:31 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: BroJoeK

And anyhow “Jesus” is incarnated Christ adding another layer of complexity. The account in Acts speaks of a vision of Jesus (not just “the Son”) standing at the right hand of God the Father. In heaven. We have something that blows our analytical categories to bits here. What role do bodies play in heaven? Is Jesus going to have a body we recognize in heaven? What is the event at the end of Revelation where apparently the mortal coil just dissolves away and yields to the New Jerusalem, is this literal? Symbolic? Both? So many questions, no easy answers. But we can say with confidence that heaven is not a vague place. If anything it is more solid than earth (cannot be shaken). Our perceptions are vague; we see through a glass darkly. But that doesn’t mean heaven is. There are going to be bodies in it. And if the Son wears a body, then He does. Will the Father be directly encountered... who knows. If He is, will God look like a duo... or will the Father be seen in a merged Son/Father incarnation... I don’t know. I hope I do not get carted off for blasphemy or heresy. Just asking some questions that probably sound pretty silly in actual heaven.


2,839 posted on 01/05/2014 2:17:11 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: BroJoeK

FRiend, I’ve granted that is a valid interpretation,
***Heretic, if it’s a valid interpretation then leave it at that. What you’re pushing is an INVALID interpretation, so invalid that it is pure heresy. Stop pushing heresy onto FR.

and have requested forbearance and respect for those Christians who interpret it differently.
***Well, such a thing is too much to ask from God Himself, clad in human flesh. Jesus called false teachers like you ‘sons of satan’ but you would ask FReepers for their forbearance and respect. You ask more of FReepers than God expected of Himself. You are properly labelled a God damned heretic.


2,875 posted on 01/05/2014 2:44:55 PM PST by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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