[GarySpFc]

Nobody denies that our Founders were all Christians of one stripe or another.
But for many, and virtually all of the "top tier" Founders, their Christianity was influenced more-or-less by Enlightenment Age deism, Unitarianism and Freemasonry.

Wrong, wrong, wrong! Where did you dig up this nonsense? The only Deist was Jefferson, and David Barton's latest book provides evidence against that.

"The Progressives within academia, politics, and the left-leaning media are concerned that religious ideas may receive too much attention or acceptance within the general culture." As William F. Buckley said "...what we're up against, and though the Academy and the judiciary, is a felt disappointment that the American Revolution was not the French Revolution, and a consequent attempt to Jacobinize the Constitution into religion and its influence are wholly vanished from our public life." This attempt to marginalize religion, or even exclude it from the public sphere is an unstated recognition that religious ideology has profound influence on the minds of people, ideas that might run counter to contemporary Progressive elitism." William F. Buckley

This puts them into the same category as yours truly, BroJoeK, and along with around 50 million "restorationist" Christians today makes us all, in Kevmo's words, "God Damned Heretics".

Have you ever heard the word anti-Christ? It means against Christ. The rejection of Christ as God come in the flesh is what you reject. When you reject who He is, then in reality you are rejecting His AUTHORITY.

Seems to me Kevmo's is a totally unacceptable point of view, and you, boatbums, should have the courage to stand up and condemn it.
But you don't, do you?

Who would want to stand by someone opposed to Christ?

[BroJoeK]

GarySpFc quoting BroJoeK: "for many, and virtually all of the "top tier" Founders, their Christianity was influenced more-or-less by Enlightenment Age deism, Unitarianism and Freemasonry."

GarySpFc: "Wrong, wrong, wrong!
Where did you dig up this nonsense?
The only Deist was Jefferson, and David Barton's latest book provides evidence against that."

FRiend, did you not read what I posted?

"their Christianity was influenced more-or-less by Enlightenment Age deism, Unitarianism and Freemasonry."

Among the more deist/theistically influenced Founders were Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison and Alexander Hamilton.
Hamilton is typical of these men:

"Gordon Wood says that Hamilton dropped his youthful religiosity during the Revolution and became, "a conventional liberal with theistic inclinations who was an irregular churchgoers at best"; however, he returned to religion in his last years.[170]

Chernow says that, "Like Adams, Franklin, and Jefferson, Hamilton had probably fallen under the sway of deism, which sought to substitute reason for revelation and dropped the notion of an active God will intervene in human affairs.
At the same time, he never doubted God's existence, embracing Christianity as a system of morality and cosmic justice."[171][172]
While Hamilton and the other founders could be considered deists in the sense that they embraced "rational religion", they were not deists in the sense of rejecting the idea of divine intervention.[173]"

Both Presidents John Adams and son John Quincy Adams were Christian-Unitarians.

Among the more well-known Freemason Founders were Benjamin Franklin, George Washington, John Handcock, Nathaniel Green, Henry Knox(?), Lafayettee & von Steuben.
Unlike their European brothers, American Freemasons were not anti-Christian.
They did, however, take a more theistically or deistically influenced view of God.

This would make them, in Kevmo's words, "God Damned Heretics", and that is why I am here to defend them.

With which part do you disagree?

[BroJoeK]

GarySpFc: "Have you ever heard the word anti-Christ?
It means against Christ.
The rejection of Christ as God come in the flesh is what you reject.
When you reject who He is, then in reality you are rejecting His AUTHORITY."

FRiend, despite many false accusations to the contrary, I have never denied a word of what the New Testament says about Jesus.
It's true that I and many others understand those words to mean something different than people like yourself claim.
But I don't believe such differences should be cause for you to charge them with being "anti-Christ" or "God Damned Heretics".

As for Christ's authority in my life: I don't confuse for one second His authority with yours, FRiend.