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To: BroJoeK
I think you are cherry picking which Scripture you believe and which ones you put aside because they don't comport with your own preconceptions.

As to Jesus' self reference to being the Son of God and the religious Jews of his time reacting the way they did, is a pretty good indicator that it meant much more than an example of "extravagant praise". From the link The Biblical Doctrine of the Trinity , we read:

    It is in the discourses recorded in John, however, that Jesus most copiously refers to the unity of Himself, as the Son, with the Father, and to the mission of the Spirit from Himself as the dispenser of the Divine activities. Here He not only with great directness declares that He and the Father are one (x. 30; cf. xvii. 11, 21, 22, 25) with a unity of interpenetration ("The Father is in me, and I in the Father," x. 38; cf. xvi. 10, 11), so that to have seen Him was to have seen the Father (xiv. 9; cf. xv. 21); but He removes all doubt as to the essential nature of His oneness with the Father by explicitly asserting His eternity ("Before Abraham was born, I am," Jn. Viii 58), His co-eternity with God ("had with thee before the world was," xvii. 5; cf. xvii. 18; vi. 62),

    His eternal participation in the Divine glory itself ("the glory which I had with thee," in fellowship, community with Thee "before the world was," xvii. 5). So clear is it that in speaking currently of Himself as God's Son (v.25; ix. 35; XI 4; cf. x. 36), He meant, in accordance with the underlying significance of the idea of Sonship in Semitic speech (founded on the natural implication that whatever the father is that the son is also; cf. xvi. 15; xvii. 10), to make Himself, as the Jews with exact appreciation of His meaning perceived, "equal with God" (v.18), or, to put it brusquely, just "God" (x. 33). How He, being thus equal or rather identical with God, was in the world, He explains as involving a coming forth on His part, not merely from the presence of God (xvi. 30; cf. xiii. 3) or from fellowship with God (xvi. 27; xvii. 8), but from out of God Himself (viii. 42; xvi. 28). And in the very act of thus asserting that His eternal home is in the depths of the Divine Being, He throws up, into as strong an emphasis as stressed pronouns can convey, His personal distinctness from the Father. 'If God were your Father,' says He (viii. 42), 'ye would love me: for I came forth and am come out of God; for neither have I come of myself, but it was He that sent me.' Again, He says (xvi. 26, 27):' In that day ye shall ask in my name: and I say not unto you that I will make request of the Father for you; for the Father Himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that it was from fellowship with the Father that I came forth; I came from out of the Father, and have come into the world.' Less pointedly, but still distinctly, He says again (xvii. 8): ' They know of a truth that it was from fellowship with Thee that I came forth, and they believed that it was Thou that didst send me.'

    It is not necessary to illustrate more at large a form of expression so characteristic of the discourses of Our Lord recorded by John that it meets us on every page: a form of expression which combines a clear implication of a unity of Father and Son which is identity of Being, and an equally clear implication of a distinction of Person between them such as allows not merely for the play of emotions between them, as, for instance, of love (xvii. 24; cf. xv. 9 [iii. 35]; xiv. 31), but also of an action and reaction upon one another which argues a high measure, if not of exteriority, yet certainly of exteriorization. Thus, to instance only one of the most outstanding facts of Our Lord's discourses (not indeed confined to those in John's Gospel, but found also in His sayings recorded in the Synoptists, as e.g., Lk. Iv 43 [cf. j Mk. i. 38]; ix. 48; x. 16; iv. 34; v.32; vii. 19; xix. 10), He continually represents Himself as on the one hand sent by God, and as, on the other, having come forth from the Father (e. g., Jn. Viii 42; x. 36; xvii. 3; v.23).

Jesus is not a blasphemer because He IS God. He was telling them the truth and some refused to receive it just as many do to this day.

2,624 posted on 12/30/2013 5:14:19 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: boatbums
boatbums: "I think you are cherry picking which Scripture you believe and which ones you put aside because they don't comport with your own preconceptions."

False. I have not "put aside" a single word, verse or book.
Yes, I follow the "restorationists' " understandings, and am well satisfied that these interpretations are closer to the authors' original intent than your "revisionist" trinitarianism.
However, I have never advocated that anybody here believe my particular point of view on this, only that you treat it with forebearance & respect, just as you would treat a close FRiend and hoped-for political ally.

So what exactly is your problem with that?

2,644 posted on 01/01/2014 5:21:24 AM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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