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To: boatbums; Kevmo
boatbums to Kevmo: " If they are ravenous wolves bent on scattering the flock, masquerading as apostles of Christ, deceitful workers attempting to pervert the gospel, then we MUST do all we can to cut the ground from under them (II Cor. 11:12) and expose their lies with the sword of the Spirit, which is the Word of God."

But what if we are merely here to defend our Founding Fathers' religious ideas, and those of millions today, against false and often insane accusations: i.e., "God Damned Heretics"?

2,461 posted on 12/29/2013 12:03:46 PM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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To: BroJoeK

But what if we are merely here to defend our Founding Fathers’ religious ideas,
***It doesn’t matter who held such heretical ideas in the past. It matters that you hold them, you heretic.

and those of millions today,
***Millions of heretics. Hundreds of millions, perhaps billions of true and faithful christians who uphold that Jesus is God Himself.

against false and often insane accusations: i.e., “God Damned Heretics”?
***Jesus labelled false teachers of His day in similar terms, such as ‘sons of satan’. No doubt you would say Christ wasn’t being Christlike when He did so, that he was false and often insane. Truly you are a God damned heretic.


2,499 posted on 12/29/2013 3:53:38 PM PST by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: BroJoeK; Kevmo
But what if we are merely here to defend our Founding Fathers' religious ideas, and those of millions today, against false and often insane accusations: i.e., "God Damned Heretics"?

I'd wager that not one of the "founding fathers" expected his personal theological leanings to be defended as dogma just because he happened to believe it. I greatly respect what these men and women sacrificed to build the nation we have, but I don't presume that whatever they thought about God and the gospel MUST be what I also have to believe OR defend. Many of them WERE orthodox Christians and there isn't a hairs breadth difference in what they believed and what I do today, but they weren't religion builders. They had what I see as a God-given genius for the ideas they brought together and the founding documents are STILL relevant 200+ years later as they were when the nation was first founded.

Those of them that were not Christians were few and many combined philosophy with Biblical principles because those principles were true regardless if they accepted the ONE who created all things. I question why you see the need to defend the Founders' religious ideas outside of their application to the establishment of the rights and boundaries of a just government? If some were Deists and rejected the idea of a personal God, divine and infallible revelation, miracles or the Trinity, then, no matter how much I might respect their part in the founding of my country, I will proudly reject their erroneous beliefs because they weren't gods - they were fallible men.

Calling their false religious dogma heresy actually IS a correct accusation. Being a great man doesn't mean you are right about everything.

2,516 posted on 12/29/2013 4:51:19 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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