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To: metmom
John 8:58 Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.”

John 10:30 I and the Father are one.”

John 14:8-13 Philip said to him, “Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us.” Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and you still do not know me, Philip? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on my own authority, but the Father who dwells in me does his works. Believe me that I am in the Father and the Father is in me, or else believe on account of the works themselves.

Matthew 1:22-23 All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had spoken by the prophet: “Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and they shall call his name Immanuel” (which means, God with us).

Colossians 2:9-10 For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily, and you have been filled in him, who is the head of all rule and authority.

John 1:1-4 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life, and the life was the light of men.

John 1:14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.

1 John 2:22-25 Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son. No one who denies the Son has the Father. Whoever confesses the Son has the Father also. Let what you heard from the beginning abide in you. If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, then you too will abide in the Son and in the Father. And this is the promise that he made to us—eternal life.

Indeed very clear, and you have only given us a small sample. Others have posted a full PC window full of texts with associated logical commentary.

2,313 posted on 12/27/2013 9:40:16 AM PST by redleghunter
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To: redleghunter

And do not leave out John 12:

“...who is this Son of man?” (John 12:34)

“...they could not believe, because that Esaias said again, He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them. (John 12:39-40)

“These things said Esaias, when he saw His glory, and spake of Him.” (John 12:41)

This refers to Is. 6:

And he said, Go, and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not. Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and convert, and be healed. (Isaiah 6:9-10)

John says, “These things said Esaias, when he saw His glory, and spake of Him.” (John 12:41)

“Him” and /:His glory” refers to Christ here, but who does Isaiah say he saw in glory?

In the year that king Uzziah died I saw also the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up, and his train filled the temple. Above it stood the seraphims: each one had six wings; with twain he covered his face, and with twain he covered his feet, and with twain he did fly. And one cried unto another, and said, Holy, holy, holy, is the LORD of hosts: the whole earth is full of his glory. And the posts of the door moved at the voice of him that cried, and the house was filled with smoke. (Isaiah 6:1-4)

Thus John (the Holy Spirit by him) says that the Lord whom Isaiah saw in His glory when he gave this prophecy (perhaps the second most quoted in the NT) was Christ!

Also often overlooked but i see as saying more, in relation to Ex. 3:14,

I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am, ye shall die in your sins. (John 8:24)

Ye call me Master and Lord: and ye say well; for so I am. (John 13:13)

Jesus therefore, knowing all things that should come upon him, went forth, and said unto them, Whom seek ye? They answered him, Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus saith unto them, I am he. And Judas also, which betrayed him, stood with them. As soon then as he had said unto them, I am, they went backward, and fell to the ground. (John 18:4-6)

And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. (Exodus 3:14)


2,328 posted on 12/27/2013 2:51:34 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: redleghunter; metmom
redleghunter to metmom: "Indeed very clear, and you have only given us a small sample.
Others have posted a full PC window full of texts with associated logical commentary. "

It's important to note that the majority of those quotes (5 of 8) come from the Gospel Writer John.
So, if John's gospel is properly understood, then most of the justification for full-blown trinitarianism disappears.

Christian denominations known as "restorationists" begin to understand John by going first to his final words on this subject: John 20:30-31:

John does not say he wants us to believe that Jesus is God Himself.
From this perspective, when we re-examine all those other proof-texts to see if John ever violated his own intentions, it turns out, he did not.

2,450 posted on 12/29/2013 10:25:12 AM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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