So the Father is God, the Son is God,
***And to deny that is heresy. As the title of this thread says, Damnable Heresy. From the article:
John identifies antichrists... they specifically deny the living, personal Holy Trinity in favor of Gnostic pagan, immanent or Eastern pantheist conceptions.
Kevmo "***And to deny that is heresy.
As the title of this thread says, Damnable Heresy."
You know, you have to be so careful on the internet in general, even on Free Republic, and even with a poster so obviously trust-worthy as Ms boop: take nothing for granted.
For example: reading Ms boop's post above (#2,001), you might suppose that what she had posted there is the actual Nicaean Creed.
It's not, it's an interpretation of the Creed, one which goes much further towards full-fledged trinitarianism than does the Creed itself.
If any are interested in scholarship, then you will be perhaps surprised to learn that full-fledged trinitarianism was not fully formed at Nicaea.
Instead it, ahem, "evolved", slowly, slowly over several centuries, until the Athenasian Creed of 500 AD.
Therefore, even Nicaea can be said, by Kevmo's exacting standards, to be "Damnable Heresy".
For examples, compared to the full-fledged Athenasian Creed (500 AD) Trinitarian "God-the-Father", at Nicaea it still retains it's comma: "God, the Father" reminding us that Jesus addressed God as his father: "abba".
None of the other Trinitarian terms "God the Son" or "God the Holy Ghost" or "trinity" itself appear at Nicaea.
Jesus is addressed as "of one being with the Father", but Nicaea doesn't yet give the Holy Ghost that same distinction:
We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the only Son of God, eternally begotten of the Father, God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, of one Being with the Father.
Through him all things were made.
For us and for our salvation he came down from heaven:
by the power of the Holy Spirit he became incarnate from the Virgin Mary, and was made man.
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate; he suffered death and was buried.
On the third day he rose again in accordance with the Scriptures; he ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead, and his kingdom will have no end.
We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life, who proceeds from the Father and the Son.
With the Father and the Son he is worshiped and glorified.
He has spoken through the Prophets.
We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church.
We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
We look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen."
Please, I'm not saying some form of trinitarianism isn't in Nicaea, only that the full-fledged Athenasian formulation of 500 AD has only partly "emerged" in Nicaea.
And if you doubt me on this, then please ask yourself: if the Nicaean Creed of 325 AD was fully complete, then why did they need another, the Athanasian Creed in 500 AD?
And if the Nicaean Creed is not fully complete in, for example, its acknowledgment of the Holy Ghost, then how is it not, in Kevmo's delightful term: "Damnable Heresy"?