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To: betty boop

So the Father is God, the Son is God,
***And to deny that is heresy. As the title of this thread says, Damnable Heresy. From the article:
John identifies antichrists... they specifically deny the living, personal Holy Trinity in favor of Gnostic pagan, immanent or Eastern pantheist conceptions.


2,009 posted on 12/22/2013 2:36:30 PM PST by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: Kevmo; betty boop; spirited irish; tacticalogic
Kevmo quoting from betty boop's posting on the Nicaean Creed: "So the Father is God, the Son is God,"

Kevmo "***And to deny that is heresy.
As the title of this thread says, Damnable Heresy."

You know, you have to be so careful on the internet in general, even on Free Republic, and even with a poster so obviously trust-worthy as Ms boop: take nothing for granted.

For example: reading Ms boop's post above (#2,001), you might suppose that what she had posted there is the actual Nicaean Creed.
It's not, it's an interpretation of the Creed, one which goes much further towards full-fledged trinitarianism than does the Creed itself.

If any are interested in scholarship, then you will be perhaps surprised to learn that full-fledged trinitarianism was not fully formed at Nicaea.
Instead it, ahem, "evolved", slowly, slowly over several centuries, until the Athenasian Creed of 500 AD.
Therefore, even Nicaea can be said, by Kevmo's exacting standards, to be "Damnable Heresy".

For examples, compared to the full-fledged Athenasian Creed (500 AD) Trinitarian "God-the-Father", at Nicaea it still retains it's comma: "God, the Father" reminding us that Jesus addressed God as his father: "abba".
None of the other Trinitarian terms "God the Son" or "God the Holy Ghost" or "trinity" itself appear at Nicaea.
Jesus is addressed as "of one being with the Father", but Nicaea doesn't yet give the Holy Ghost that same distinction:

Please, I'm not saying some form of trinitarianism isn't in Nicaea, only that the full-fledged Athenasian formulation of 500 AD has only partly "emerged" in Nicaea.

And if you doubt me on this, then please ask yourself: if the Nicaean Creed of 325 AD was fully complete, then why did they need another, the Athanasian Creed in 500 AD?

And if the Nicaean Creed is not fully complete in, for example, its acknowledgment of the Holy Ghost, then how is it not, in Kevmo's delightful term: "Damnable Heresy"?

2,088 posted on 12/23/2013 7:11:07 AM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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