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To: Kevmo; spirited irish; tacticalogic; betty boop; YHAOS
Kevmo: "***...But what I came to discuss on this thread was the Verified HISTORICAL FACT that Jesus claimed equality with God before the Sanhedrin and was condemned to death for it.
Significantly, you said that such a position was religious.
You’re the poser here.
And now it appears you’re a heretic.
Double loser."

In fact, the New Testament says no such thing directly: that is your theological interpretation, not of what Jesus allegedly said, but of what you think the Jewish authorities might have understood by Jesus' words.

Without doubt, those religious authorities believed Jesus said enough to deserve death, but there is no indisputable evidence that Jesus actually claimed to be God Himself.

Indeed, I've mentioned Bill O'Reilly's book before, which am now about half way through, and a point he makes is worth repeating: it was not Jesus alleged "blasphemy" which motivated those Jewish authorities, "blasphemy" was only their excuse.
Their real reason was justified fear that Jesus' ministry would overturn the established order of things, and threaten their positions of power and wealth.
In that sense, in the end, to them it didn't matter what Jesus said, or didn't say, they were going to "get" him one way or another, says O'Reilly as I read it.
I call his a highly informed historical opinion.

Now, back to the subject of "heresy", FRiend: after you've satisfied your lust to stone, burn and crucify me for it, you might wish to remember that the "heresy" I am here defending is precisely the same "heresy" which most of our Founding Fathers believed.

So, every nasty barb you aim at me, you are aiming at them too.
In that sense, (note the quote here): I and our Founders are one.

Beware of what you say, loser.

1,942 posted on 12/21/2013 9:13:59 PM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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To: BroJoeK; spirited irish

Without doubt, those religious authorities believed Jesus said enough to deserve death, but there is no indisputable evidence that Jesus actually claimed to be God Himself.
***You haven’t shown enough historical scholarship on this thread to weigh the evidence of water being wet, let alone this issue. You’re simply a heretic pushing your idealogical agenda, and it was probably a mistake for Spirited Irish not to have posted this as an ecumenical thread. Heck, even as an open thread on the religious forum would have thrown out all your open ended heresies. Get lost, troll. Double loser: Troll and Heretic.


1,982 posted on 12/22/2013 1:11:03 PM PST by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: BroJoeK

Without doubt, those religious authorities believed Jesus said enough to deserve death, but there is no indisputable evidence that Jesus actually claimed to be God Himself.
***You can dispute whatever you want. That ACT of DISputing such solid historical and faith evidence is properly labelled as heresy because it is a simple denial of the deity of Christ, just as the thread says. Jesus called such false teachers as you, “vipers”. No doubt you would call Christ out as being un-Christlike.


1,994 posted on 12/22/2013 1:44:48 PM PST by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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