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To: BroJoeK

only that He “is the Messiah, the Son of God.”
That seems significant to me, personally.
***Well, here we are genuinely talking about religion. I did not come here to debate religion, I wanted to talk about history. But you pushed your heresy onto this forum and it is a sign of diminishing returns.

Indeed, in John 10:34 Jesus himself denies that the title of “god” means “God”:
33 “We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”
***Oh, it is so wonderful to see you accepting this part of the scriptures as historical. Because it is yet another piece of historical evidence that Jesus DID claim to be God. His hearers said that directly, and notably, Jesus (as a 1st century monotheistic jew) didn’t retract in Horror and say “Oh NO! You heard wrong!”

34 Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are “gods”’[d]?
35 If he called them ‘gods,’ to whom the word of God came — and Scripture cannot be set aside —
36 what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world?
Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’?
***Good to see that you accept this passage as historical. There are several others where Jesus claims divinity. If you aren’t a heretic, you will accept the historicity of those passages. But my assessment of your character is that you will not, that your heresy will override what you consider to be historical.

Here’s my point on this: reasonable people should be able to disagree reasonably on these matters without one side or the other feeling the need to burn somebody at the stake as a “damnable heretic”.
***And yet, reasonable people also think that people who push heresy are damnable heretics. I do not envy you having the position of defending a heresy on FR, and I also do not think FR should even put up with it. But that’s up to the mods, who are “reasonable people”.


1,914 posted on 12/20/2013 4:47:27 PM PST by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: Kevmo
Kevmo: "***Oh, it is so wonderful to see you accepting this part of the scriptures as historical.
Because it is yet another piece of historical evidence that Jesus DID claim to be God.
His hearers said that directly, and notably, Jesus (as a 1st century monotheistic jew) didn’t retract in Horror and say “Oh NO! You heard wrong!” "

Few of these specific details qualify as "history", they are all religious beliefs.
As such they are subject to differing interpretations.

Orthodox interpretations are certainly held by the vast majority of Christians today, but minority opinions have been kept by significant numbers throughout history, including our own Founding Fathers.

That's why I defend them today.

1,957 posted on 12/22/2013 12:57:40 AM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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