Sure, "claim of deity", i.e., "Son of God" = "blasphemy", a capital crime to the Jewish Sanhedrin.
Claims of equality with God are never stated explicitly in the New Testament, and whenever hinted at are debatable, and have long been debated, by scholars with opposing views.
But regardless of what scholars debate, at least 95% of Christians accept your claim, Kevmo, of Christ's "equality" with God.
That is religious belief with which I have no problems.
Kemo: "The resurrection Proved to all nearby that Jesus was Who HE said He Was, He was GOD.
The simple historical claim before the sanhedrin was that He was equal with God."
Resurrection would certainly evidence some form of divinity.
But no New Testament writer says explicitly, "Jesus is God".
That is a matter of theological interpretation, not of history.
Kemo: "For you to say the Resurrection is “well attested” but the claim to deity is “ is not indisputably supported by any text” is huge backtracking.
It also betrays an ignorance of history."
Sorry, FRiend, but any ignorance here is yours, since you've utterly refused to acknowledge what I really posted.
Biblical accounts of Christ's "divinity" are not in dispute -- according to them, Jesus certainly did claim to be Son of God, Son of Man, Messiah & other divine titles.
The historical dispute -- leading to millenniums of violent conflict -- has been over theological assertions, reflected in creeds, that Jesus claimed to be "equal to God" or even that "Jesus is God".
These creeds are not supported directly by New Testament texts, regardless of how much blood was shed to impose them.
In the little church I attend, we recite a version of the Apostle's Creed, which originated as early as 180 AD and is not explicit on this subject.
Sure, “claim of deity”, i.e., “Son of God” = “blasphemy”, a capital crime to the Jewish Sanhedrin.
***Ethelbert Stauffer showed that previous incidents of people claiming to be the Messiah could not, and did not, result in their death. It was not a form of blasphemy. When the high priest asked Jesus if he was the son of God, he was basically asking if he was the Messiah. That is not a capital crime to the jewish sanhedrin. Your position is unhistorical, about what I have come to expect from you.
Claims of equality with God are never stated explicitly in the New Testament,
***Sure they are, and if you had read my article you would be aware of them. By stating such a thing it puts you into the rarified atmosphere of heretics. Read the article.
Perhaps it will save you from your own heresy.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2056400/posts
and whenever hinted at are debatable,
***Yes, the debate is between faithful christians and heretics who deny the deity of Christ, as the title of this thread suggests.
and have long been debated, by scholars with opposing views.
*** You are right that it has been long debated, but the debate is between heretics and christians. Heretics like you enjoy clothing themselves in scholarly accoutrements, but eventually the truth wins out and your spiritual & intellectual ugliness is exposed.
But regardless of what scholars debate, at least 95% of Christians accept your claim, Kevmo, of Christ’s “equality” with God.
That is religious belief with which I have no problems.
***You seem to think that is what I came to debate. I know that faithful christians accept Christ’s equality with God, and that heretics do not. But what I came to discuss on this thread was the Verified HISTORICAL FACT that Jesus claimed equality with God before the Sanhedrin and was condemned to death for it. Significantly, you said that such a position was religious. You’re the poser here. And now it appears you’re a heretic. Double loser.
Previously:
Kevmo: “That is not a religious belief.
It is a historical observation.
Historians don’t have a problem with it, but apparently you do.
And to think, you were the one who went out of his way to point out the differences between religious faith and history.
You can’t even tell the difference yourself.”
Kemo: “The resurrection Proved to all nearby that Jesus was Who HE said He Was, He was GOD.
The simple historical claim before the sanhedrin was that He was equal with God.”
Resurrection would certainly evidence some form of divinity.
***Earlier you said that the resurrection is well attested. So for you to say that this was evidence of “some form” of divinity leads normal people to ask why you would think He is Divine, but did not claim equality with God. Your position is heresy.
But no New Testament writer says explicitly, “Jesus is God”.
That is a matter of theological interpretation, not of history.
***Read John1:1 and 1:14. Then read my article, and perhaps many of the thousands of articles on apologetics and the incarnation. You’re woefully and willfully ignorant, and pushing heresy at the same time.
Kemo: “For you to say the Resurrection is “well attested” but the claim to deity is “ is not indisputably supported by any text” is huge backtracking.
It also betrays an ignorance of history.”
Sorry, FRiend, but any ignorance here is yours,
***Sorry, FRiend, but you are spiralling rapidly downwards into heresy. Pull your head out of your rear orifice before there’s a huge spiritual price to pay.
since you’ve utterly refused to acknowledge what I really posted.
***You’ve posted all kinds of unhistorical and idealogically driven nonsense. Which of these have I “refused to acknowledge”?
Biblical accounts of Christ’s “divinity” are not in dispute — according to them, Jesus certainly did claim to be Son of God, Son of Man, Messiah & other divine titles.
***Wow. Then what could possibly be the problem, heretic?
The historical dispute — leading to millenniums of violent conflict —
***Well, I see that christians were persecuted and killed for this belief from the very beginning of the church, starting with Stephen’s explicit claim before the sanhedrin to Christ’s deity. So it would appear you have a problem with that, or you’re going to go into historical-invention mode about christians supposedly killing millions of heretics. Whatever. All that garbage is religion. It’s ever apparent now that you’re here to discuss religion rather than the historicity of Jesus.
has been over theological assertions, reflected in creeds, that Jesus claimed to be “equal to God” or even that “Jesus is God”.
***More heresy from you. When will it stop, no one knows.
These creeds are not supported directly by New Testament texts, regardless of how much blood was shed to impose them.
***Oh, save the best religious claptrap for last. You’re not here to discuss the historicity of christ, you’re here to spread heresy and deny His divinity. Another good book for you is “The Case for Christ” by Lee Stroebel. But you won’t read it, seein’ as how you’re stuck on stupid and clinging to your heresy.