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To: BroJoeK

In fact, there’s no historical evidence to the contrary.
***Sure there is. The 4 gospels. They are only writing a historical account of the crucifixion, certainly not recording a despised miracle. On the basic mundane items of history, the gospels have proven to be very reliable historical documents. You’re trying to discount what historians know to be reliable and introduce some tertiary evidence that has no bearing on the case. That is not solid scholarship, it’s idealogical baloney.

Regardless of the Gospels efforts to white-wash Pilate,
***I don’t see this in the gospels, there’s simply an attempt to record the events as they were witnessed.

the facts remain that by Roman law, only Pilate could order a crucifixion,
***True.

and that only for a Roman capital crime, such as rebellion.
***Here you go off the rails. Produce your reliable source that says this is what happened. The existing reliable sources directly contradict your claim. Anyone who argues against historically reliable sources with nonexistent sources is practicing historical witchcraft.

There is also non-biblical historical evidence that Pilate was a callous, cruel and uncaring ruler, for whom executions without trial were matters of routine.
***Sure sounds like the Pilate I know from the gospels.

That’s why historically speaking, there’s no evidence to suggest that Jews killed Jesus.
***Dude. You don’t know squat about history if you claim such a thing. You’re just being driven by your idealogy. Produce your sources that back up your claim to historicity.


1,835 posted on 12/19/2013 8:14:51 PM PST by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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That’s why historically speaking, there’s no evidence to suggest that Jews killed Jesus.
***Oops, I misread this. I read “that jews had Jesus killed”. I see now that Bro is going back to being stuck on this thing where he thought I was arguing that jews killed Jesus rather than it actually being the romans, that same old saw.


1,838 posted on 12/19/2013 8:23:50 PM PST by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: Kevmo
Kevmo quoting BJK: "That’s why historically speaking, there’s no evidence to suggest that Jews killed Jesus."

Kevmo responding: " ***Dude. You don’t know squat about history if you claim such a thing."

Are you certain you really mean what you wrote here?
Did I finally expose you?
Are you at last admitting that you believe the Jews, not Romans, killed Jesus?

1,855 posted on 12/19/2013 9:38:35 PM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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