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To: BroJoeK; Alamo-Girl; spirited irish; betty boop; marron
I wonder which side of this issue first required that God Creating must mean instantaneous generation of fully expressed species? Was it the Catholic Church, ages ago? Was it the opposition to the biblical creation story?

When one considers the ramifications of what Alamo_Girl referred to, namely Schroeder's explanation of dual temporal perspectives, a 100 million year slow change in organismal expression is but a moment from another perspective.

God as Dreator, by definition is greater than His Creation, and His creation is far greater than man has yet discovered (dimensional variability is still in infancy regarding 'higher dimensions').

Since first learning the vagaries of Darwin's theory of natural selection I have marveled that humans have figured out one of the ways God creates. Sadly, the opposite effect seemed to settle into Darwin's life as he gradually rejected the learning from his youth and instead of integrsating he became, at best, an agnostic regarding God and The Grace of God in Christ.

We Christians could take another approach, and decide that God is still creating, but now generating creations at a spiritual level of the greater Universe of His creating, using a selection process described in Romans with English words of "Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified" (Rom 8:30), to describe changes vaguely expressed in the 4D limited universe if pondered without spiritual eyes and ears.

170 posted on 09/30/2013 8:23:03 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: MHGinTN; BroJoeK; spirited irish; betty boop; marron
Yours is an excellent insight to Romans 8:29-30, dear MHGinTN, thank you!

God as Dreator, by definition is greater than His Creation, and His creation is far greater than man has yet discovered (dimensional variability is still in infancy regarding 'higher dimensions').

Indeed.

Many do not realize, or include in their reasoning, that space/time and all dimensionality are parts of the Creation and not restrictions on, or properties of, the Creator of them.

171 posted on 09/30/2013 8:37:06 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: MHGinTN

To a timeless God, is it any more or less a miracle if it happens in an instant, or over time? Is it any more or any less God if something occurs that looks like direct intervention, or something that is the logical outcome of principles or an algorithm God has set in place and in motion?

Because my observation is that God sometimes intervenes in a way that changes a circumstance in an instant, and sometimes in a way that plants a seed that bears fruit over time. Sometimes both in combination.

I believe that creation is still ongoing, and will continue to continue, because that is the essential nature of God. He is a Creator God. Its what he does. Creation continues to unfold and will continue to unfold. We have a role to play as agents of creation, but its his game.


172 posted on 09/30/2013 8:40:57 AM PDT by marron
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To: MHGinTN; Alamo-Girl; spirited irish; betty boop; marron
MHGinTN: "God as Dreator, by definition is greater than His Creation, and His creation is far greater than man has yet discovered..."

I couldn't find a word in your post #170 to disagree with, FRiend.

216 posted on 10/01/2013 1:48:55 PM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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