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“I find it so odd that, nowadays, so many popular defenders of science — e.g., Richard Lewontin, Richard Dawkins, "the usual suspects" — want all investigations of "super-nature" to be killed in the cradle....”

I don’t take Evolution to be a big issue. I think some of the Theory’s more ardent advocates give it a mystique greater than it merits, but science is not the object here. Propaganda is.

What I take exception to is the indifference Darwinians have for the takeover of the schools by a regime of Socialist thugs who regard education as nothing more than their ministry of information. I object to Darwinian militants coming on this forum, to attack and disparage Christianity, justifying their behavior as a defence of Holy Science. I object to their indifference to the concept of government by consent of the governed and to the consequences when violence is done to that concept.

What I also take exception to is the pretense that issues not in dispute somehow answer issues avoided (for example, see post # 1275).

And finally, I ask of Darwinians as I have before: Which do you consider the greatest threat: Christians on this forum with whom you disagree? or the Socialist louts who so obviously intend to hijack America? With whom do you contended? With whom do you at least ignore if not pretend their complete absence? Simple questions, requiring nothing more than the most simple of answers. Yet all this forum gets is subject changing and attempts at intimidation.

Thank you betty, for the genuine issues you’ve highlighted and so thoroughly explained in this thread.

YHAOS: I don’t take Evolution to be a big issue. I think some of the Theory’s more ardent advocates give it a mystique greater than it merits, but science is not the object here. Propaganda is.

Spirited: Actually, mystical natural science, evolution, and propaganda are of vital importance to Marxist Communism and it’s twin, socialism.

The first thing we need to grasp is that Marxist Communism is a form of mystical pantheism called by its’ inventers-—scientific socialism.

The ground of Marxist Communism is dialectical materialism, an evolutionary doctrine holding that dialectical (thinking) matter in motion continually attains to higher perfection by its own powers,

“… thanks to indwelling dialectic…the dialectical materialists attribution of ‘dialectic’ to matter confers on it, not mental attributes only, but even divine ones.” (Dialectical Materialism, Gustav A. Wetter, 1977, p. 58)

Dialectical materialism is the ancient concept of animism renewed and revamped for our age. In Star Wars it is called the Force, New Agers call it Christ-consciousness.

Enrico Ferri (1858-1926) a prominent socialist who for many years was the editor of Avanti, a socialist daily. In “Socialism and Religious Beliefs” he expounds on the miracle producing powers of the mystical thinking forces animating matter and nonliving ideological systems such as socialism and positive or natural science. He also makes clear the vital connection between Darwinism (evolutionary animism)and socialism. Imputing living forces to positive science Ferri observes that “living” natural science,

“…has substituted the conception of natural causality for the conception of miracles and divinity…I add that not only is Darwinism not contrary to socialism, but that it forms one of its fundamental scientific premises. As Virchow justly remarked, socialism is nothing else than the logical and vital outcome partly of Darwinism and partly of Spencerian evolution.” (www.marxists.org/archive/ferri/1894/religion.htm)

The essence of Darwinism constituting its’ particular nature is naturalism (materialism), a ‘truth claim’ positing the nonexistence of the supernatural living, Holy God, Heaven, hell, Imago Dei, angels, demons, immutable truth, moral law, meaning, and purpose resulting in a nihilistic order, an abomination of desolation in which a person is no longer a person but rather the conscious product of evolution, an aggregate of animated matter in human form.

In this light, it becomes clear why Darwinism is completely incompatible with the Bible and why evolutionary naturalists ridicule the Genesis account of creation ex nihilo and make war against faithful Christians.

YHAOS: "I object to Darwinian militants coming on this forum, to attack and disparage Christianity, justifying their behavior as a defence of Holy Science.
I object to their indifference to the concept of government by consent of the governed and to the consequences when violence is done to that concept."

I've never seen a thread or poster on FR whose purpose was "to attack and disparage Christianity".
All the "attacking and disparaging" I've seen comes from supposed Christians (i.e., YHAOS, spirited irish) against people whose only purpose is to defend natural-science against false and unwarranted accusations.

Nor have I seen any serious liberals posting here.
Everybody here falls into at least the top 20% "most conservative" in the country.
Our real problem is that those in the top 1% "most conservative" (i.e., YHAOS, spirited irish) delight in mocking and falsely accusing others who don't meet their own 1% standards.

I personally don't think that's such a good way to win FRiends and influence people for conservatism.

YHAOS: "What I also take exception to is the pretense that issues not in dispute somehow answer issues avoided (for example, see post # 1275)."

In fact, in post #1,272 Ms irish did indeed dispute my distinction between science and theology, rather strongly.
Also, if fact, I've avoided no issues raised by Ms boop, nor refused to answer any questions, though she does refuse to answer my questions.

YHAOS: "And finally, I ask of Darwinians as I have before: Which do you consider the greatest threat: Christians on this forum with whom you disagree? or the Socialist louts who so obviously intend to hijack America?"

First of all, as I've pointed out before: "Darwinians" exist only in the warped fantasies of anti-evolutionists.
In reality, there are no such critters.
Instead, there are people who accept the findings of natural-science, and those who don't.

Second, it is the anti-evolutionists who have declared war on science, and who come to these threads with quivers full of insulting arrows for fellow FReepers.
You accuse us of everything from bad-science to being allies of the Devil!
All we hope to do is point out certain errors in your reasoning.

Third of all, the "Socialist louts" don't log on Free Republic, but many who wish to escape them do.
So, will they find a happy-home here, or will they suffer condemnation as useful-idiots of science and tools of the Devil?

I suggest we make them feel welcome.

YHAOS: "questions, requiring nothing more than the most simple of answers.
Yet all this forum gets is subject changing and attempts at intimidation."

All of the subject changing and attempts at intimidation are coming from your side, FRiend, some even from you.