Posted on 09/20/2013 4:29:03 AM PDT by spirited irish
And that, apparently is your doxa, your opinion.
There is a good deal of distance, my dear friend, between "doxa" and aletheia logos, and thus between "sophists" and "philosophers."
Plato had a field day with such as you. Just check out his glorious dialogue, The Gorgias....
This isn't "personal." And I don't mean to be "hard" with you. How could I be "hard" with you, when I mainly and mostly don't understand a word you say???
In the end, such "disputes" as you and I have aren't even worthwhile, for we are so far apart in the "seeing" department we cannot even agree about what the freaking "dispute" is all about in the first place.
Well, let that pass, my friend. I sincerely hope you had a marvelous Thanksgiving, you and all your dear ones!
It's a spoonful of veracity, against a truckload of nuance.
Moloch worship was thus a political religion
Moloch worship was based in abortion... after the child was born..
The first child in a marriage was sacrificed to Molock...
by putting the child live in a pot of boiling oil.. held by the idol god.. with a fire underneath of it..
Remind you of anything, anywhere, it does me...
Obama is PUNISHMENT for 75,000,000+ aborted babies.. in terrible ways...
Moloch worship was thus a political religion
Moloch worship was based in abortion... after the child was born..
The first child in a marriage was sacrificed to Molock...
by putting the child live in a pot of boiling oil.. held by the idol god.. with a fire underneath of it..
Remind you of anything, anywhere, it does me...
Obama is PUNISHMENT for 75,000,000+ aborted babies.. in terrible ways...
hosepipe: Remind you of anything, anywhere, it does me...
Obama is PUNISHMENT for 75,000,000+ aborted babies.. in terrible ways...”
Spirited: Indeed. Obama is a self-serving narcissist, a sophist consumed by envy elevated to a position of power by self-serving Americans consumed by the same in part or whole.
Envy is a major theme in the Law, Psalms, Prophets and New Testament. Scripture combines envy with pride, covetousness and selfishness into a single manifestation of idolatry of self and belief that there isn’t enough ‘good’ to go around, hence the idolater’s burning compulsion to destroy by way of lying, sophistry, gossip, slander, ridicule, scorn and destructive criticism Higher Truth, Moral Law, and the good name and spiritual virtues of people who are the objects of envy as well as to consolidate all goods (i.e., recognition, honor, status, privilege, wealth, natural resources) into the hands of one or a privileged few.
Envy/covetousness ultimately leads to abortion (child sacrifice) and other forms of murder including genocide. Among the self-serving social elite of Punic Carthage for example, the institution of child sacrifice may have assisted in the consolidation and maintenance of family wealth, of eliciting favors from the gods, and as a convenient way of disposing of unwanted and illegitimately conceived babies.
In 1921 the largest cemetery of sacrificed infants in the ancient Near East was discovered at Carthage. Hundreds of burial urns filled with the cremated bones of infants, mostly newborns but even some children up to six years of age were uncovered there. All of the victims had been burned to death on the altars of self-serving idolatrous men and women.
The actual rite of child sacrifice at Carthage has been graphically described by Diodorus Siculus:
“There was in their city a bronze image of Cronus extending its hands, palms up and sloping toward the ground, so that each of the children when placed thereon rolled down and fell into a sort of gaping pit filled with fire.” (Abortion and the Ancient Practice of Child Sacrifice, Andrew White, MD, 1/5/2012, Associates for Biblical Research)
Plutarch, a first and second century A.D. Greek author, adds to the description:
“...the whole area before the statue was filled with a loud noise of flutes and drums so that the cries of wailing should not reach the ears of the people.” (ibid)
Church Father Tertullian not only condemns child sacrifice, saying that no matter how it is rationalized (i.e., reproductive concerns, choice), it is still murder but destroys the myth of macroevolution:
“....murder is once for all forbidden; so even the child in the womb, while yet the mother’s blood is still being drawn on to form the human being, it is not lawful to destroy. To forbid birth is only quicker murder. It makes no difference whether one take away the life once born or destroy it as it comes to birth. He is a man, who is to be a man, the fruit is always present in the seed.” (Tertullian, Apologeticus IX.- 6, 8)
Today our land is being filled with the blood of innocent babies, spilled not on the altars of Cronus, but in butcher shopsrun by men like Kermit Gosnell, the executioner who murdered the unwanted and illegitimately conceived babies of self-serving Americans.
The beginning of idolatry (and sophistry) is pride (or self-esteem), which together with selfishness demonstrates preference for one’s self instead of God, Truth and neighbor, and just as no violation of the Law can occur without one first being an idolater, envy/covetousness, lying, sophistry and murder are its’ final results, for where ‘self’ is primary then ‘self’ deserves everything it can get, no matter the cost to other people.
Envy/covetousness will even drive men so far as to conceptualize the murder of God (theocide) as exemplified by Nimrod, Hegel, Marx, Nietzsche, and Teilhard de Chardin for example.
In “Death by Envy,” Fr. George R.A. Aquaro points out that Christ’s earthly ministry centered on convicting the world of idolatry by provoking people (represented by the Pharisees) to envy and then murder. By becoming the scapegoat, Jesus Christ allows mankind to place their sins upon Him so that men might repent at the sight of His blood. (p. 101)
The tragedy of the fall is that man has lost his introspection. Judas had no hope of looking within himself and seeing his own personal envy which inevitably destroyed him. The Cross is thus a messenger of mankind’s envy/covetousness and murderous intentions. Therefore we are obliged to search ourselves for envy and its root cause, idolatrous self-centeredness, and repent of them because,
“Look, I am coming soon! Says the Lord. My reward is with me, and I will give to each person according to what they have done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. “Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city. Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood. “I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star.” (Rev. 22:12-16)
Everything that has been thought, said and done will be revealed. There is nothing “covered that shall not be revealed; nor hidden that shall not be known” (Luke 12:2) and just as it is “...appointed unto men once to die, and after this the judgment” (Heb. 9:27) so there will be eternal life in Paradise for those who love God and Truth and have kept His commandments but for those who have done evil, whose lying, sophistry, murderous intentions and “hardness and impenitent heart” has treasured” up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God...for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger.” (Rom. 2:5)
For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but delivered them, drawn down by infernal ropes to the cold clear fire of lower hell, unto torments, to be reserved unto judgment (2 Pet. 2:4) then He shall say to all idolaters that shall be on his left hand:
“Depart from me, you cursed, into everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels.” Matthew 25:41
Source: Envy, covetousness and the cold, clear fire of hell, by Linda Kimball (BroJoeK’s favorite author :-) Renew America
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LOLOL dearest sister in Christ! Indeed such "battles" are not everyone's cup of tea.
Such folks who do participate in such exercises in futility spend 99% of the time just trying to get agreement on the definition of such terms as "realist," "idealist," "nominalist" — rarely, it seems, to any avail.
FWIW, I am a tad suspicious of any kind of "ism" or "ist." It seems to me that "ism" or "ist" appended to any word signals some kind of mental abstraction has taken place that is already at once remove from Reality....
Well, FWIW.
But for those who wade into such murky waters, some of us have more fun than cats!
You wrote:
...[A] person cannot say something is random in a system when he doesn't know what the system "is." A series of numbers extracted from the extension of pi may appear random but are in fact, highly determined. Using the term to describe a physical phenomena without the qualifier, i.e. "physical randomnness" — suggests that all that physically exists is both known and knowable to science. That is of course impossible since science cannot say that fields, particles and dimensions which have no measurable direct or indirect effect must therefore not exist.Indeed. My own view is (FWIW): All that physically exists is not "both known and knowable to science," according to its present methodological understandings (largely premised on Newtonian mechanics). It seems clear enough to me that the foundation of Nature consists of non-observables, such as particles, fields, and (from the organizational standpoint), dimensions.
(Not to mention the Will and Purpose of God Creator.)
So I just figure that any scientist (or other sort of person) who tells you that the only things in the world that are "real" are those things which can be directly or indirectly "measured" must have some epistemically prior commitment that puts him in the category of "ideologist."
Just my humble opinion. Which I'm sure comes as no surprise to you, dearest sister in Christ!
Thank you so very much for your as-ever deeply perceptive essay/post!
Thank you ever so much, dear sister in Christ, for this amazingly informative essay/post!
Do you believe someone can calculate the probability of an event occurring without knowing what all the possible variables are?
Certainly, but the ‘outcome’ will of necessity discard all outcomes which do not fit within the pre-conceived parameters for the calculations. Maxwell’s Equations are a prime example ... Einstein’s inclusion of ‘Lambda’ in his relativity calculations is sort of another, since he had no experimental data from which to conclude that a lambda was needed so he included it in order to factor out ‘outcomes’/solutions which he believed, given his data sets —limited as they were— were absurd solutions.
When possible, I wrestle terms away from those who would misuse them.
That's a formula for a predetermined conclusion.
Can you show me the dictionary that defines that list of "isms" as all being a synonym for "sophistry"?
sophism: early 15c., earlier sophime (mid-14c.), "specious but fallacious argument devised for purposes of deceit or to exercise one's ingenuity," from Old French sophime "a fallacy, false argument" (Modern French sophisme), from Latin sophisma, from Greek sophisma "clever device, skillful act, stage-trick," from stem of sophizesthai "become wise" (see sophist).
sophist: "one who makes use of fallacious arguments," mid-15c., earlier sophister (late 14c.), from Latin sophista, sophistes, from Greek sophistes "a master of one's craft; a wise or prudent man, one clever in matters of daily life," from sophizesthai "to become wise or learned," from sophos "skilled in a handicraft, cunning in one's craft; clever in matters of everyday life, shrewd; skilled in the sciences, learned; clever; too clever," of unknown origin. Greek sophistes came to mean "one who gives intellectual instruction for pay," and at Athens, contrasted with "philosopher," it became a term of contempt.
Sophists taught before the development of logic and grammar, when skill in reasoning and in disputation could not be accurately distinguished, and thus they came to attach great value to quibbles, which soon brought them into contempt. [Century Dictionary]
You're trusting them to provide definitions of all the "isms".
Your definition of sophistry does not match the formal definitions of any of those "isms" listed as being synonymous with it. How does that happen?
But only spirited irish can say whether or not that is the case in reference to her own statement.
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