You both seem to be headed in the same direction. Let me pull you in together to discuss this if you don’t mind.
I a real sense, you two are saying that our generals should challenge the president if they don’t what to do what he asks?
When a general does refuse, the President isn’t going to contact Congress and get permission to dismiss him. He’ll dismiss him.
What I don’t want to see, is our top generals having to take action because our damned Congress doesn’t have enough backbone to rein this guy in.
Before the General has to take action, this Congress should put the president on notice, that if he goes against Congressional consensus, he will be impeached at once.
“I a real sense, you two are saying that our generals should challenge the president if they don’t what to do what he asks?”
We are saying that our generals have a duty to disobey unlawful orders.
If the president wishes to obtain a lawful order - he needs to get congressional approval. Full stop.
“President isn’t going to contact Congress and get permission to dismiss him. He’ll dismiss him.”
Then impeachment proceedings can begin.
“is our top generals having to take action because our damned Congress doesn’t have enough backbone to rein this guy in.”
Would you rather the confirmed the death of the republic altogether? If Obama can simply order around the military, why does he have to leave again?
Let them all refuse in all branches one after the other... it will only go so far... before the Syrian war effort would collapse. But I think far too many high ranking career officers will do nothing as they cherish their careers more than the country - more than doing what is right ...
An example of this failure to refuse an unlawful orders - there should have been a stand down in Afghanistan due to the Rules of Engagement and other ridiculous rules that have endangered soldiers lives in that war which has become a fiasco - NO GENERAL - NO COLONEL should ever have fielded troops under those conditions - but they would not refuse due to being cowards. Any such ROE put forth in the Vietnam War would have resulted in some senior officers getting shot ... there were ROE restrictions in the Vietnam War - but nothing like the craziness that goes on in Afghanistan.
Refusing Unlawful Orders is a good idea except when the senior officers are cowards