Posted on 09/01/2013 2:52:56 PM PDT by kronos77
I just wish the military would abandon Obama, especially since he is using it for domestic goals that run counter to decency and common sense. But I doubt it will happen. More likely, we’ll see a continuation of go-along-to-get-along until a foreign aggressor decides the time is ripe for the harvest.
“We’re in pretty rare territory here.”
Do you realize you just were describing what happened in Egypt?
Is it just me, or is English simply NOT the Mother Tongue of this reporter?
I suspect something was lost in the translation going both directions. What we have is not a "mutiny", which would be inappropriate and criminal, even if it's just Obama. Instead, there is an appropriate and complete lack of confidence. Most officers and enlisted in the military find Obama revolting, but no one refused an order. Rather, the boy king demanded the impossible, and instead of getting helpful hints on how to accomplish the goals he should have set, he instead got nothing from patriots in uniform. The community organizer couldn't guess at the right orders to issue, and no decent person in uniform wanted to help him in harming our national security.
Man, those are enormous, um, ah, beers......
Wunderbeer!
Pretty much so huh. I didn’t think of it that way.
That sounds reasoned. I think that pretty much addresses what is taking place.
“And if a General were to disagree, I would rather see them resign than set a precedent where some active duty general could refuse the CIC on political grounds.”
That’s fine if your a general, but most in the military are enlisted and can not resign. They also took an oath to defend the constitution. Even for officers, resigning isn’t a sure resolution.
Don’t you think the rank and file know that Obama is on the side of the enemy? I would submit that most do...
“I a real sense, you two are saying that our generals should challenge the president if they don’t what to do what he asks?”
We are saying that our generals have a duty to disobey unlawful orders.
If the president wishes to obtain a lawful order - he needs to get congressional approval. Full stop.
“President isn’t going to contact Congress and get permission to dismiss him. He’ll dismiss him.”
Then impeachment proceedings can begin.
“is our top generals having to take action because our damned Congress doesn’t have enough backbone to rein this guy in.”
Would you rather the confirmed the death of the republic altogether? If Obama can simply order around the military, why does he have to leave again?
Yes, I’m sure they do.
As for the resignations of the enlisted, I agree.
Those who elected this trash sure have a lot to be proud of, what they forced us to deal with on so many levels.
I have a problem with the phrase “president’s wishes”. Attacking Syria would be exactly that.
And I don’t think a general resigning would require a future pardon. But I hope you’re right. I hope a lot of them retire immediately. Then maybe they’ll go back to work for the American people in their same capacity.
Don’t know if the 2-4star Generals would not follow orders, but Colonels, etc might refuse. Action might actually lead to a coup.
No, I’m all for the outcome you seek, I’m just not confident this Congress takes him on. Boehner would be shaking on the floor in a corner within minutes.
It just disgusts me that the military is the entity that has to confront this ass hat clown, after Congress and the Courts have refused to.
What guarantees they take their job seriously now?
Nothing..., of course.
Let them all refuse in all branches one after the other... it will only go so far... before the Syrian war effort would collapse. But I think far too many high ranking career officers will do nothing as they cherish their careers more than the country - more than doing what is right ...
An example of this failure to refuse an unlawful orders - there should have been a stand down in Afghanistan due to the Rules of Engagement and other ridiculous rules that have endangered soldiers lives in that war which has become a fiasco - NO GENERAL - NO COLONEL should ever have fielded troops under those conditions - but they would not refuse due to being cowards. Any such ROE put forth in the Vietnam War would have resulted in some senior officers getting shot ... there were ROE restrictions in the Vietnam War - but nothing like the craziness that goes on in Afghanistan.
Refusing Unlawful Orders is a good idea except when the senior officers are cowards
What’s the alternative?
Well JCBreckenridge sees it somewhat differently. We both see rejection of orders to be reasoned, but he thinks it needs to be brought to a head on direct confrontation.
He may be right.
Honestly, we’ve let these folks get away with shirking their duty so long, I don’t have confidence in them, and don’t know of an alternative.
The ROE problems you mentioned caused me to do a double take also. I agree with you here.
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