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To: Jim Robinson

Cruz is a Cuban, Canadian, American citizen and is not a Natural Born Citizen. This old vet will NOT support or vote for him as President or Vice President.

Never, No how, No way!!


886 posted on 09/13/2013 4:01:55 PM PDT by Crazy ole coot (Mr. obama, Sen Cruz and Sen. Rubio are NOT Natural Born Citizens.)
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To: Crazy ole coot

Cruz was born to a fully qualified U.S. citizen living temporarily in Canada. He’s a natural born American citizen and constitution defending patriot in every sense of the word (look up his record). If he runs and IF he’s the strongest conservative running, I will support him 100%. And so will the majority of the grassroots conservative movement. You betcha.


888 posted on 09/13/2013 4:18:06 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Crazy ole coot

So you would be OK with the natural born citizen Hillary Clinton?


895 posted on 09/14/2013 1:10:33 PM PDT by entropy12 (With no fear of re-election, Obama is becoming more radical left..thanks a lot all you who abstained)
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To: Crazy ole coot
Coot, I agree with you with regard to the founders' understanding of natural born Citizen, i.e, one born to citizen parents AND born free of any other country's legitimate claim of foreign citizenship (as recognized by U.S. law or treaty). However, if Cruz ends up running as the republican candidate, I definitely will be voting for him (unless Palin or some other electably viable natural born Citizen conservative is running as a separate Tea Party candidate). No way will I indirectly be voting for Hillary or some other anti-American leftist.

That stated, I think it is useful to examine the implications of the founders' intent in crafting the natural born Citizen eligibility requirement. Clearly, they wanted to protect the nation by restricting the presidency to only those most likely to be 100 percent pro-America with no conflicting foreign allegiances or foreign citizenship ties. Adhering to the strictest definition of natural born Citizen (born of two citizen parents within our national boundaries) definitely achieves this goal. However, it also excludes individuals who meet the spirit of the requirement, but otherwise fail the stricter standard.

No doubt the founders knew that a few good people would be excluded by such a narrow standard, but probably felt that the percentage of actual "tweener" cases would be so very, very small that it would not present the nation with an undue burden in selecting qualified leaders. Thus, for the sake of providing a simple immutable standard, a few good, 100 percent American patriots could be afforded to be excluded. I think Cruz is one of those cases. He exceeds in meeting the spirit of the natural born Citizen requirement, but fails the letter of the law in my opinion.

Simply flouting an inconvenient requirement invites charges of hypocrisy, mocks of the rule of law, diminishes its moral force and ultimately opens the door to the tyranny of the rule of men. It is a dangerous business, but it is probably even more dangerous to indirectly support Hillary or someone like her by not voting for Cruz - if he runs and manages to win a spot on the ticket (in spite the inevitable questions about his Constitutional eligibility).

That Cruz was born and then raised for four years in Canada had and has no effect on his ultimate qualification as a 100 percent patriot in my opinion, since he moved to the USA well before he was old enough to have schoolmates and be significantly influenced by them or by attending foreign schools. What troubles me more is that his father took so long to naturalize as an American. My father-in-law, who came from Sweden, naturalized after only five years (the earliest possible time he could). He embraced America to the point that he even refused to teach his children any Swedish.

Many emigrants come here absolutely lusting to be Americans. From having escaped the tyranny of their old lives, they know first hand how to truly appreciate what freedom means, willingly embrace their new country and enthusiastically take the oath of exclusive allegiance to America. Such fresh-eyed patriotism can't help but influence their children to also love America and its founding principles. Bobbie Jindal's parents were this way (but he also is not a nbC, imo).

So, why did the elder Cruz (who only bothered to become an American citizen in 2005) wait so long? It raises serious doubts about his interest in being an American and dedication to America and may possibly have influenced his son to be more sympathetic to a "globalist" perspective, something we surely don't want in a commander-in-chief (as we currently are learning all too well with anti-American usurper aka obama, our criminal identity fraud-in-chief).

899 posted on 09/15/2013 7:05:54 PM PDT by elengr (Benghazi betrayal: rescue denied - our guys DIED - treason's the reason obama s/b tried then fried!)
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To: Crazy ole coot

Take up knitting or bird watching then.
You are not very good at law, history, or politics.
Cruz is a Natural Born Citizen.
Prideful, ignorant opinions to the contrary carry no weight.


910 posted on 09/19/2013 7:27:50 PM PDT by Kansas58
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