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To: JRandomFreeper
There's not really very many of the birther idiots, they are just loud and annoying.

I'll bet there are more birthers here than you think. Most people just don't want to step into these interminable wars, so they don't comment.

Personally, I don't understand why someone should be labeled an 'idiot' for wanting to see the highest citizenship standard possible, enforced as a requirement for holding the office of President.

Maybe that requirement will never be enforced, but I see nothing wrong with advocating for it. Barack Obama is a perfect example of what can happen when a person's loyalties are divided by the circumstances of their birth. Why not insist upon a tighter standard?

93 posted on 08/26/2013 3:53:37 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier
Most people just don't want to step into these interminable wars, so they don't comment.

Then they don't count.

The hardcore birthers are idiots because they use the same convoluted and long-winded crap to try to make their point, instead of looking at the Constitution and the laws.

/johnny

96 posted on 08/26/2013 3:58:10 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Windflier; Lakeshark; NFHale; Jim Robinson; Brown Deer

Ted Cruz is going by the law, as his research and study has shown him what that is. His conclusion is that by law natural born means born a citizen, instead of one that has to go through naturalization like his father did in order to become a citizen.

If he believes that, and has scholarly backing for it, he would not insist upon some mythical “higher standard” of the meaning of natural born citizen.

Nobody could EVER enforce a standard that supposedly RISES ABOVE what he has found when studying the law.

Everyone becomes a law unto himself when that happens. Some say, oh, his father is CUban so that makes Ted Cuban. Others say he was born in Canada so that means he is Canadian but they will also agree he is American but just not naturally born because it was across the border in Canada.

Others will say he is Canadian only and was never an American of any kind, even though that can’t possibly be true according to the law.

Most of the confused and demanding and unsatisfiable souls IGNORE his mother who gave him birth. That she meets every definition of an American citizen, herself. And they ignore the law in existence when Ted was born that made her unquestioned citizenship the controlling factor in his natural born status.

Windflier, I believe your heart is in the right place but these people can’t be mollified and they are all over the map.

I believe Ted Cruz himself and any supporting scholarly types and published works are the best sources, along with checking the documentation they cite.

After checking their beliefs and claims, you either accept that or you reject that.

If you try to reach a different, so-called “better” standard based on what various and sundry FReepers are trying to force, you can never attain it.

It is a MIRAGE.

As for brown deer, he/she/it should be ashamed for coming here and declaring Ted’s father Rafael to be suspect in his love for America and Freedom, simply because he fought Cuba’s dictator Bautista while Castro was fighting him but before people understood Castro’s Communism.

And then, brown deer tries to SMEAR Ted Cruz with THAT.


108 posted on 08/26/2013 4:13:59 PM PDT by txrangerette ("...hold to the truth; speak without fear." - Glenn Beck)
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To: Windflier
Why not insist upon a tighter standard?

Uh, because Ted is Clean and Articulate?

Ted Cruz for President! Woo! Wooo!

239 posted on 08/27/2013 1:01:03 AM PDT by itsahoot (It is not so much that history repeats, but that human nature does not change.)
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