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To: WhiskeyX; Tau Food
Please point out the relevant part of the US Constitution that supports your opinion of the meaning of "Natural Born" citizenship requirements.

Lacking that, please point out the relevant law pass by the US Congress and signed by a US President that supports your opinion of the meaning of "Natural Born" citizenship requirements.

Lacking that, please point out the relevant US Supreme Court ruling that supports your opinion of the meaning of "Natural Born" citizenship requirements.

If you can't provide any of the above, you don't have a leg to stand on, constitutionally speaking.

You see, the founders of this country (those guys who wrote the US Constitution) were really smart guys and with the exception of Slavery (for very real and well-stated reasons) covered everything that they could think of at the time in detail. I sincerely doubt that if they thought as you do on this subject, they would have overlooked this issue and not have left clear requirements/or a definition in the Constitution.

Does not seem very likely.
17 posted on 08/25/2013 8:37:25 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: SoConPubbie

I don’t know where you’ve been, but you are talking to someone who has for many years been debating the finer details of the natural born citizen controversy. Frankly, I don’t have enough hours in the day for the coming years to go back to the basics and haggle endlessly over them with folks who have no intention of even considering the merits of the controversy. The very fact you would suggest it is necessary to quote a definition for a phrase of natural law directly in the Constitutiion is an indication you cannot be taken seriously. The Frramers did not go around defining the laws of nature in the Constitution. Natural law was observed to exist as it was recognized in llegal treatises, coomon-laws embracing the natural law principles, and in court decisions incorporating statements of natural law.

The are numerous Supreme Court of the United States (SCOTUS) decision describing the application of the natural born citizen, all of which have been discussed as infinitum on Freerepublic. I’m certainly not going to spend hours gathering them together for the purpose of this simple post. If you so desire, you can look them up yourself and we can debate the merits on the respective threads discussing thos specific cases.

Yopu might also consult the various legal dictionaries and general purpose dictionaries to see their definitions for such terms as “natural”, “natural parents”, and so forth. When you do so, please note how the definitions are careful to note how natural law is the opposite of manmade statutory law. Sir edward Coke in Calvin’s Case 1608 cited earlier authorities to note how manmade law “datus” made a subject, whereas natural law resulted in a subject born “natus” by nature of the birth in the absence of a manmade act. Calvin’s Case 1608 is of course not the only such sources of the practice of determining natural born citizenship solely in the absence of “datus” statutory laws. In other words, the condescending scorn is wholly inappropriate and entirely unproductive.

If you want to debate the issue sensibly, then debate the specific elements of disagreement. Leave the ridicule and scorn at home. Such behavior will be entirely unimpressive.

Anyone who wants to be prsusive will need to explain how an unnatural manmade law, a statutory law, or the enactment of a public law can be anything other than the exact opposite of a natural law and the opposite of a natural born citizen.
As matters stand now such an endeavor appears to me tantamount to Bill Clinton trying to persuade the court that Fellatio or oral sex is not oral sex.


32 posted on 08/25/2013 9:29:06 AM PDT by WhiskeyX ( provides a system for registering complaints about unfair broadcasters and the ability to request a)
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To: SoConPubbie
Lacking that, please point out the relevant law pass by the US Congress and signed by a US President that supports your opinion of the meaning of "Natural Born" citizenship requirements.

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If you can't provide any of the above, you don't have a leg to stand on, constitutionally speaking.

Well that's just it. The word "Natural" in the term "natural born citizen" means "without regard to man made laws." (i.e. Natural law.)

How can someone point out a law regarding "natural" if the two concepts are paradoxical?

88 posted on 08/26/2013 12:19:48 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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