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To: exDemMom
I do *not* accept, as liberals do, that lower intellectual performance in some ethnic groups is a hardwired genetic characteristic of those groups. My view is a conservative view: help people to help themselves.

If liberals believe in "hardwired genetic differences," why do they fight so hard to suppress research showing that intelligence is heritable and that there are significant mean differences in intelligence between racial and ethnic groups?

Marxist (i.e. modern "liberal") dogma states that the human mind is a blank slate, and that we're all purely a product of culture and economic circumstances. You seem to subscribe to the same view. It's a good thing that people who bred animals and plants didn't think like this, otherwise we would have never bred crops or domesticated wild animals.

164 posted on 08/13/2013 2:19:57 PM PDT by ek_hornbeck
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To: ek_hornbeck

Michael Jordan is probably the result of such breeding ca 1850 and before


165 posted on 08/13/2013 2:22:10 PM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Travon... Felony assault and battery hate crime)
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To: ek_hornbeck
If liberals believe in "hardwired genetic differences," why do they fight so hard to suppress research showing that intelligence is heritable and that there are significant mean differences in intelligence between racial and ethnic groups?

There is plenty of research into intelligence and the various factors that affect it.

I am not going to pretend that I know why liberals do what they do, but I can tell you that their supposed horror at any measurements that show racial differences in intellect does not reflect their inner beliefs. They do believe that minorities are stupid; they would not support affirmative action otherwise. When people want to stop affirmative action programs and switch to merit-based programs, the liberals always yell racism on the basis that minorities cannot possibly hope to compete on a level playing field. It is very clear that liberal support for lowering the admission standards for minorities stems from their belief that minorities are stupid.

Marxist (i.e. modern "liberal") dogma states that the human mind is a blank slate, and that we're all purely a product of culture and economic circumstances. You seem to subscribe to the same view. It's a good thing that people who bred animals and plants didn't think like this, otherwise we would have never bred crops or domesticated wild animals.

I have not said that at all. What I said is that environment has a huge effect on whether an individual is able to develop the full potential of their genetic background. I also said that on the level of the population, there is no reason to think that the distribution of intelligence genes is different between racial groups. Let me try to simplify that. If, in the population, 50% of the people have a gene for blond hair, 50% have a gene for brown hair, and 100% have a gene for black hair, the distribution of hair color genes will always remain 50:50:100. (Remember, each person has two sets of genes.) So, without speaking of an individual's chance of being blond or brunette, I can still discuss the distribution of blond/brunette/black hair genes in the population. This is what I am doing with intelligence. Every person's intellect is a product of both environmental and genetic factors. There is a wide range of IQs seen in any group of people from the same environment.

172 posted on 08/13/2013 4:14:14 PM PDT by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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