Posted on 08/05/2013 8:52:23 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
Edited on 08/05/2013 8:52:50 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]
Obamacare would keep running even in a government shutdown, a new congressional report suggests.
The new health care law draws funding from sources that are not subject to the congressional budget process, according to the nonpartisan Congressional Research Service. Also, the revenue collected under Obamacare is considered to be part of a category that ensures the "safety of human life or the protection of property," which makes it immune to government shutdowns, the report said.
(Excerpt) Read more at money.cnn.com ...
Its called off budget.
Just as the spying on Americans, Obamacare has been going ahead full steam without much fanfare from the media since before its inception...
I imagine it is so fully entrenched within the gov't departments and bureaucracies that it was designed to have provisions within it to prevent it from ever being defunded...
It seemed like an avenue that the House might have pursued, but then the issue seems to have disappeared.
Maybe the Marxists found a loophole.
Wind out of sails - not really - those who make that argument have not listened to the entire argument presented by Ted Cruz and Mike Lee. Cruz has authored a bill to attach to the CR that does, in fact, defund the entire Act. Anyone who thinks that Ted Cruz does not understand all the legal implications does not appreciate the legal intelligence of Senator Cruz — he is a brilliant lawyer and Constitutional scholar. Things will go badly if the GOP must rely on rudderless nitwits such as Boehner, Cantor, Rove, McCain, and Graham to do the explaining. But the GOP does not have to rely on them. Cruz, Rubio, Lee, and Paul are compelling speakers.
The GOP supplied the Dems with much fuel for this to speed up the process.
Here’s the optics for most regardless of the GOP’s alternative version of history:
Republicans wanted everyone to know that Clinton RAISED taxes and GWB cut taxes, and they succeeded too
So Clinton leaves office at a time when it looks like things
went pretty well for the past few years,
and GWB leaves office when all hell is breaking loose and he is on TV demanding congress give him a huge blank check to bail out the banks, or else great depression is coming.
So this leaves certain destructive associations behind.
Does he have 60 votes in Senate? Will Obama sign it?
Regardless
The above article is talking about how a government shutdown would defund all kinds of stuff that voters like, but still leave Obama-care funding in place.
That would make it even more easy for Obama to attach blame to GOP, then the GOP caves anyway left hated by everyone.
Or do you believe the MSM will all line up and blame Obama so he caves and signs a bill defunding his legacy item?
” So Clinton leaves office at a time when it looks like things
went pretty well for the past few years,”
Clinton lucked out..
1) Hi-tech boom
2) dot com boom.
“and GWB leaves office when all hell is breaking loose and he is on TV demanding congress give him a huge blank check to bail out the banks, or else great depression is coming.”
Bush had a lot to do with HIS bust. Contrary to Bush apologists, Bush campaigned for the damn NINJA loans, so he OWNS them.
As for the “blank check”, that is merely Bush putting another nail in our coffin.
Regardless, its a curse on us.
On GWB : If ya wanna leave office with fond memories left behind then dont demand trillions of dollars to bail out banks threatening with us with a Depression, at the end of your eighth year.
” On GWB : If ya wanna leave office with fond memories left behind then dont demand trillions of dollars to bail out banks threatening with us with a Depression, at the end of your eighth year. “
BINGO
And how is that different than what happens on a daily basis? Again, it's gonna happen anyway, why not do something to protect the country and truly earn the slings and arrows they will receive no matter what they do?
Bush spent less than half of the $780 billion requested for the bailout.
He also had two key fiscally conservative stipulations to his bailout actions:
1. All money must be paid back
2. Money must be paid back to taxpayers with interest.
Those features do not exist in democrat/Obama spending actions.
Incidentally, the bank bailout has been paid back and with interest just as Bush promised.
The blind rage of Republican=Democrats is one of the most serious threats to the republic.
Bush was reducing the deficit three years in a row until democrats took over congress in January 2007. Democrats uncorked fannie mae and freddie mac and directly caused the housing crash destroying 6 trillion dollars in assets for homeowners.
Even in this thread the ridiculous gloss about Clinton boom is offered. One can easily see in the past twenty years or more a simple correlation between democratic control of the federal government and spending madness.
Republicans gained strong control of Congress from 1994 through 2000. That controlled spending and Clinton’s fiscal madness [which included hopes of passing massive health care bills]. That produced growth. That reduced the debt.
I am fine with people wanting ‘more conservative’ reps but I am fed up with the Republican = Democrat mantra. Its obvious both in Congressional realities and Presidential realities.
The democrats have long done massive fiscal damage to the nation and presently hold the economy in a catastrophic tailspin. FR endlessly repeats the mantra: they’re all the same.
Actually, they’re not.
” Bush spent less than half of the $780 billion requested for the bailout.
He also had two key fiscally conservative stipulations to his bailout actions:
1. All money must be paid back
2. Money must be paid back to taxpayers with interest.
Those features do not exist in democrat/Obama spending actions.
Incidentally, the bank bailout has been paid back and with interest just as Bush promised.
The blind rage of Republican=Democrats is one of the most serious threats to the republic.”
Smoke
What was the national debt in 2001, and what was it in 2008?
(Pre-crash)
” . Democrats uncorked fannie mae and freddie mac and directly caused the housing crash destroying 6 trillion dollars in assets for homeowners.”
The banks didn’t start full throttle on sub-prime until 2002. THe banks/mortgage companies then opened the floodgates from 2002-2007. Bush gave a half hearted attempt to slow it down, but when rebuffed, he jumped on the sub-prime bandwagon. FReeper Sickoflibs saved the proof if you want it.
” Even in this thread the ridiculous gloss about Clinton boom is offered.”
There was a boom, and Clinton lucked out. He had nothing to do with any of it. No “gloss” here.
Also, why do you suppose W hasn't come out strong, or AT ALL, on the excessive DC spending being approved by Dims AND Repubs?
I've heard all of the "Well, W is too gracious to comment about another admins policies". Our country is being destroyed at warp speed....a patriot would try and put a stop to it...or, at the very least, say something disapproving.
It's long boggled by mind how W can just sit by, quietly, while our country spins further into Marxist destruction.
You won’t acknowledge the deficit going down prior to dems taking control in jan 2007.
Bush pressed for tighter GSE regulation throughout. One frank and Dodd controlled the question in 2007 all restraint was gone. Franklin Raines said mortgages were without risk.
Clinton did not get lucky.
He got republicans in congress who saved the economy from exactly what is choking it now— looming massive healthcare.
” Bush pressed for tighter GSE regulation throughout.”
No, he didn’t.
” One frank and Dodd controlled the question in 2007 all restraint was gone”
By 2007, 95% of the sub-prime damage had been done, and banks/ mortgage companies were already dropping like flies.
Buish and Jeb are in full press on amnesty, just like 2007. It will destroy the country, if passed. W still hurting America, and helping Obama with pro-amnesty rhetoric.
Yes, and do it well before the 2014 election season. It may just spark some of the useful idiots without a clue to the realization that “holy schnikes’ this thing is way screwed up!
Agree. Still waiting on my questions to be answered (post #33) by this Bush supporter.
...sigh...
: )
Of course its not the topic of the thread so you need to ask so you can rant away on some unrelated point.
So let’s get that done.
I do support W’s path to citizenship policies. I don’t think that is mutually exclusive with enforcement and clear identification of who is entering the country.
To be clear, both as governor of Texas and as President— Bush took a consistent view of immigration that was far less accommodating than California but far less strict and unrealistic than the border war crowd that attacks him.
The reality of that practice from the 1990s until 2007 is as follows:
1. Texas is the most over riding economic engine remaining for the US economy. We produce most of the job gains in the US. We presently have 25% of all the fossil fuel wells in the world. We have a booming fiscal surplus that will continue to explode. Our state is not blue but emphatically red and despite fantasies to the contrary will remain so.
2. Hispanics did support President Bush rather dramatically throughout his role as governor and President.
3. In January 2007, unemployment in the United States was 4.7 percent. That is hardly an economic disaster. The deficit was 160 billion dollars— barely a tenth of what it runs now. Bush protected the nation from further attacks despite the wild rhetoric that the borders will bring in another attack. It did not happen in 8 years of Bush’s leadership.
The hatred Bush receives from Obama supporters and faux conservatives does not faze me.
I would like to see some results. Bush actually has some. They compare favorably with California and they compare favorably with this nation since Obama was sworn in January 2009.
Roosevelt was right. It is easier to be the critic than the man in the ring fighting for something.
Bring it.
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