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To: sten

If they submit already obtained (illegally) evidence for issuance of a warrant, they have committed a crime.

What I’m saying is that they can’t do this without a warrant with YOUR particular name on it (not that FISA blanket data archiving crap). Secondly, if they use all the phone itself to gather/record data without that warrant in order to GET a warrant, they are committing a crime.

It has nothing to do with Clinton or parsting. They are only supposedly allowed to gather the ‘metadata’ associated with all phone traffic, not specific conversations, per what the NSA and other intels have told us they have been approved for by FISA. Yes, you and I know they illegally are also recording the non-metadata and turning on phones that are off, etc. This is patently illegal without a specific warrant. ILLEGAL...if they lie about it, then it is a very serious broach of our freedom and the perpetrators belong in prison.


84 posted on 08/03/2013 2:17:54 PM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Gaffer

And you’re trusting people like clapper, who got up and lied and perjured himself over it, to not plant the ‘evidence’ and cover their tracks? You really think they’ll behave because something is ‘illegal’ for them to do?


85 posted on 08/03/2013 2:25:05 PM PDT by Monty22002
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To: Gaffer

you’re not understanding.

the information they gathered would never be used anywhere in proximity to the judicial system

BUT... it would be used to tip them off who they should monitor more closely through ‘legal’ channels... so they could get a warrant and bring charges.

in the rare circumstance they gathered something that was immediately actionable (someone was about to deliver a bomb or something)... they would just take out the target and claim terrorist threat. no evidence or warrant needed.


103 posted on 08/03/2013 3:27:10 PM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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