Posted on 07/28/2013 6:13:04 PM PDT by drewh
Sen. Ted Cruz hasn’t said whether he has presidential ambitions, but Sunday he won one of the first straw polls for the 2016 Republican presidential nomination.
The Texas Republican captured 45 percent of the 504 votes cast by attendees at the Western Conservative Summit, a day after drawing several standing ovations during his luncheon speech at the fourth annual conference.
“We shall see what sort of crystal ball summiteers have in awarding that decisive nod to Sen. Ted Cruz, who was so magnificent from this platform,” said John Andrews, founder of the Centennial Institute at Colorado Christian University, which hosted the event.
Placing second was Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker, who delivered the keynote address Friday at the three-day summit, with 13 percent of the vote.
Tied for third were Sen. Rand Paul, Kentucky Republican, and former Rep. Allen B. West, Florida Republican, with 9 percent each. Mr. West was the conference’s featured speaker Sunday, while Mr. Paul received the most votes among those on the ballot who didn’t attend the conference.
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Those "majority" have some ox to gore and hide behind obscurity and the ignorant. These are people who are for their utmost popularity so they cling to falsity.
Natural Born Citizenship simply required that one became a Citizen by birthright, and nothing else.
Au contraire, I come with the facts and knowledge as I posted at #165 , and you simply stomp your feet.
Well, I think it’s fair to conclude that if you know of any school text books that support your claim, you’ll let us know about it and that if you don’t, you just don’t. That’s not your fault. Orly Taitz didn’t write any text books for schools.
The law applicable at the time of Cruz's birth:
8 USC § 1408The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:
(g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years: Provided, That any periods of honorable service in the Armed Forces of the United States, or periods of employment with the United States Government or with an international organization as that term is defined in section 288 of title 22 by such citizen parent, or any periods during which such citizen parent is physically present abroad as the dependent unmarried son or daughter and a member of the household of a person
The law applicable at another time
The Naturalization Act of 1790Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, That any Alien being a free white person, who shall have resided within the limits and under the jurisdiction of the United States for the term of two years, may be admitted to become a citizen thereof on application to any common law Court of record in any one of the States wherein he shall have resided for the term of one year at least, and making proof to the satisfaction of such Court that he is a person of good character, and taking the oath or affirmation prescribed by law to support the Constitution of the United States, which Oath or Affirmation such Court shall administer, and the Clerk of such Court shall record such Application, and the proceedings thereon; and thereupon such person shall be considered as a Citizen of the United States. And the children of such person so naturalized, dwelling within the United States, being under the age of twenty one years at the time of such naturalization, shall also be considered as citizens of the United States. And the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond Sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born Citizens: Provided, that the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States: Provided also, that no person heretofore proscribed by any States, shall be admitted a citizen as aforesaid, except by an Act of the Legislature of the State in which such person was proscribed.
Congress in 1790 chose to declare certain naturalized persons "natural born citizen" and certain naturalized persons "citizen"
Had Congress so chosen, the laws codified as 8 USC § 1408 would have made similar provision to declare certain naturalized persons "natural born citizen" and certain naturalized persons "citizen". Congress chose otherwise.
Congress made no such provision and the law does not have such provision. Persons naturalized by 8 USC § 1408 are declared to be "citizen"
The law states that Cruz is a citizen.
Well, SHOW US, please?
Show us your misguided “authorities” so that we can then show you WHY that false information was corrected, later.
You seem to believe you know a lot about me. How about we find out about you.
Are you an authority on legal matters?
Are you an authority on history?
Are you an authority on citizenship?
If you were I would expect you to provide facts and not engage in ad hominem attacks.
Excellent point :^)
the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond Sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born CitizensThose children are "natural born citizens"
Provided, that the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United StatesCitizenship shall not descend to the children of the abovementioned "natural born citizens" unless those abovementioned "natural born citizens" have been resident in the United States
Provided also, that no person heretofore proscribed by any States, shall be admitted a citizen as aforesaid, except by an Act of the Legislature of the State in which such person was proscribed.No person heretofore prohibited by any State shall be admitted
I'll tell you one attorney again since you like to parrot.
Dr. Edwin Viera and not so stupid.
You presume to know who I am? Fascinating.
Why don’t you take your powers of clairvoyance down to the track... you’ll make a bundle.
A citizen at birth is a natural born citizen.
The "birther craze" can't be blamed on civics teachers or on school text books.
Ted Cruz - 2016.
If we follow your logic, then NO ONE is a natural born citizen because there is no current law enacted by Congress that defines anyone as a natural born citizen.
What ever you say.
Is a guy born in Canada an American by birth?
Not if the Canadians say he isn't, they're likely to say he's one of them.
Is the son of a Cuban citizen born in Canada an American?
Not to simple minded Americans living in the forgotten flyover country like me.
But...in our good grace and humanity, we certainly will adopt that person and call him or her one of US. We will let them do anything and be anything, just like US, expect be President.
The FFs made that one office only for those who have no foreign blemishes on their title or their loyalty or whatever.
Others, like you, have tried to change that highest standard for their own reasons, just like your team here, but that none the less is the highest standard for the highest office until redefined.
But isn't redefining your way?
Like redefining marriage or what the second amendment says or any other thing you want to change, such as historically calling communism and socialism "progressive" or "liberalism", your team just changes to an accepted name and adopts the title until the altered definition is tolerated until accepted.
It's worked all over the world, why wouldn't it work here, right? So far, it has!
Thank You for giving US our obamanation: Romans 1:18-32
You and I would do well to prepare for the counteroffer.
The Framers in Article II distinguished between a “citizen” and a “natural born citizen”. The first Congress, many members of which were Framers, in the Naturalization Act of 1790 distinguished between a “citizen” and a “natural born citizen”.
The distinguishing characteristic was parental US citizenship.
Congress in the Naturalization Act of 1795, et seq, no longer made such a distinction and declared all persons naturalized to be “citizen”.
Are we to conclude that subsequent to 1795 there were no further “natural born citizens”?
Are we to conclude that other children born with parental US citizenship - those who were not “born beyond Sea, or out of the limits of the United States”, those born within the United States - are “natural born citizens”?
Or are these other children born with parental US citizenship within the United States something other than “natural born citizens”? Why? Was it necessary that they be “born beyond Sea, or out of the limits of the United States” to be “natural born citizens”?
Who are the post 1795 natural born citizens?
The reasonable conclusion is that those born within the United States with parental US citizenship are “natural born citizens”.
Yes I did LoL, and easily verifiable.
You posted silly legal theory which has NEVER held the force of law in the United States.
Are you really this silly? Rhetorical.
If there was ANY truth to your birther nonsense, there would be a living legal expert quoting sources and making this case.
Much sense. Your so called "legal experts" have a hard time following facts. Usually they trade their integrity for $$$. We see it all the time in the news.
"Better is the poor(or rich for that matter (my emphasize)) that walketh in his integrity, than he that is perverse in his lips, and is a fool"
Proverbs 19, Chapter 19.
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