Posted on 07/13/2013 8:34:53 AM PDT by jimbo123
An unidentified man was hospitalized with a massive head injury Friday following an apparent bias-fueled attack in the West Village, witnesses and officials said. Witnesses on Greenwich Ave. near W. 12th St. said the white man — who cops said is in his 30s — was belting back beers outside Benny’s Burritos about 5:30 p.m. when he began mouthing off to a black customer in the outdoor seating area.
“You n-----s are why I lost my job,” witnesses overheard the man say.
Outraged, the black man punched the bigoted boozer, sending him reeling backward onto the rain-slick sidewalk.
The man’s head cracked open on the concrete, said one witness who did not want to be named.
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As I said, I am betting that more than one man here, if someone walked up to him and called his wife a slut, would probably punch the guy once.
And it happens all the time on TV. Which doesn’t mean “reality”, but what it means is that, in popular culture, we do expect that if you gratuitously insult someone, they might just pop you in the face. And TV teaches that there are many times when you get away with this.
As a person who has never in his life hit someone, and has been punched more than once, it bothers me that we have turned into a nation where we are so feminized that men actually use personal insults to attack the very notion that a fist to the jaw could ever be a justified response to a reprehensible verbal assault.
As I said, you probably will get arrested for it, but that doesn’t mean you didn’t have any reason to do it.
But who knows, maybe you, like me, are a person who just stands there when people insult you. I think that is the right thing to do. But I’ve met few people with that ability, and don’t overly fault people who just get fed up with being called offensive names.
Sometimes, if you get drunk and start insulting people, you have to expect that someone is going to clock you. Maybe it is a crime, but it also is a predictable and understandable human response.
Allowed or not, some things I don't tolerate. It doesn't matter if I'm "allowed" or not or if it is "legal" or not.
Minor insults I'll let roll off my back. Some things I don't. Common sense can usually figure that out. "IE don't talk shit about someone's family"
This particular instance may not fit into the narrative of appropriate response, although it is still a predictable response.
In baseball, if you commit an “insult” against the pitcher, you will sometimes get hit by a baseball, which is a deadly weapon that could theoretically kill you.
Some people in the beginning of this thread were ignoring race and simply discussing the general concept that if you get drunk in a bar and start hurling offensive insults at people, you are likely to get hit.
I’ve always said that here at FR, it is hard to have a good general discussion because too many people get wrapped around the axle with the specific story being talked about. It is like we need two threads for every good article, one where people can moan and backslap about the specific case, and another where we can have a discussion of the broader implications for society that are touched on by the story.
It is odd that as a pacifist (who won’t own a gun because I know I couldn’t shoot anybody with it), I’m on the “wrong” side of a discussion about punching someone.
But seriously — don’t any of you who say this is NEVER right ever feel like at some point, someone needs to just walk up to a liberal politician who is trashing our integrity, and simply punch them in the mouth?
There was no “wife” involved in this incident...
No need to stray from the facts.
There was a young drunk and a black guy who physically and violently attacked the drunk because the drunk allegedly called him a name...There is no justification for physically attacking the drunk here.
This is not complex.
Don't care.
Is the penality for drunken speech a busted skull administered by strangers?
Some things deserve a right hand. Drunk or not.
Do you think the knockout game is ok? CC
No I don't. In fact, a four on one jumping usually merits a shooting. (and then getting out of dodge and shutting up).
People like the man with a cracked head do a lot of damage to race relations.
I know about freedom of speech. But it seems like there are some people that have a couple of drinks and they start goading others with ugly statements. Invariably somebody will make a bloody mess of the big mouth. I suspect that they want to get busted up for some reason.
Regardless of whether it feels good its still not right.
Douglas Reddish, 25, was eating with his girlfriend when the man, who was reportedly drunk, stumbled to his table.This is in addition to the other statement quoted before. This was not the case of some teen black kid looking for trouble.Reddish reportedly tried to help the man regain his balance before he allegedly said, “This ni*ger wants to fight me!” Reddish did not take the insult well, knocking the man out cold with a blow to the face. The man fell backwards onto the concrete.
Yes, you should not punch people for calling you an offensive racist name. I still contend that it is understandable that Reddish punched the guy. It is only unfortunate that the guy was knocked out by that single punch, and he landed hard on the curb -- which btw is another good reason to never punch someone, because you never know how much trouble you are going to cause.
I wonder if those here would be less inclined to decry "violence" if the drunk was a black man, the patrons were white, and the black guy had called the white guy's girlfriend a whore.
Of if Reddish's girlfriend had slapped the guy -- because we do seem to be more accepting of women slapping men who make boorish remarks. Or maybe not -- maybe we are all sissified metrosexuals now.
I couldn't agree more. The crime rate would probably drop, and you'd also have a lot less bullying out there.
Really?
What about people who burn down and attempt to burn down entire cities and kill innocent business owners and home owners, just because they happen to dislike how a jury verdict went ?
What's that say for your "Race relations"?
What about that Mr. oldbrowser?
So if someone feels dissed, they are justified in killing the person who dissed them. OK.
Just for the record, my comments were in response to the actual story and not the new scenarios you’ve just now included to buttress your case.
White Man Gets KO’d After Calling Black Man N-Word:
when a White man approached a Black patron in the outdoor seating area. Douglas Reddish, 25, was eating with his girlfriend when the man, who was reportedly drunk, stumbled to his table, according to the New York Post.On the other hand, since the argument being made against my position is that it is NEVER OK to use physical response to a verbal assault, it is completely fair of me to explore whether that is really true, using ANY example of verbal assault I like to make my case.
If you are agreeing with me that in my example it is OK to hit the guy, I appreciate the support. I'm never argued that violence was in the end acceptable IN THIS INSTANCE; we'd have to know a lot more about what happened before I could reach a conclusion. I am merely arguing against the idea that nobody could ever expect someone to physically respond to a verbal assault.
Your theory is in practice in south Chicago right now.
Doesn't seem to be working out too well.
Sorry -- that should have said "I still don't contend". I'm not trying to say whether or not it makes sense in this particular case, just that you should expect people will respond with violence, and it is understandable that some verbal assaults will be responded to with a punch to the face.
Sometimes, it would be worth it even if you know you will get arrested for it. In at least one pop-culture movie, there is a place where we all want the boorish man to get punched, but when our now-rich hero goes to do it, his friend grabs his arm, and says "let me do that -- I've got nothing he can take" and punches him instead.
apparently we should all join the inappropriate physical response club..... :-)
This thread has sank into 100 percent bull cheet.
Do like the Mideastern do, next time someone calls you a name or says something about your skin or religion you don't happen to like, stomp and beat them into the ground....Hell, just rip physically rip their heads off.
It's all good Mr. CT.
No you can't.
I think Zimmerman is innocent.
I think this drunk got what was coming to him. Too bad his head hit the concrete, but he deserved a right hand for picking a fight and losing.
I have no white guilt or leftism whatsoever. I also think sometimes people need to be punched out for running their mouths and being a jackass. Words do damage.
But my comment was about what I commented about — if you wanted to respond to my comment, you should not be surprised if I assumed you understood the context of my statement.
Telling me how to make my own argument, when you apparently had no idea what I was responding to, doesn’t seem a useful argumentative technique.
BTW, just so we are clear, having read more stories on the particular incident, I do think the man who punched the guy deserved to be arrested. For example, apparently after punching him once, he then proceeded to try to attack him more, but was restrained, and only stopped when he realized the guy was really hurt, and then he ran off.
My argument is more about a “righteous physical response”, where boorish people who get away with verbal abuse because they could care less what you say about them, receive an “appropriate punishment” that they DO understand — a single punch to the face, not in anger, but in retribution.
I am not advocating a beat-down mentality. I never did, but want to make sure you are brought up to speed in case you were unsure.
Obviously people like you describe do a lot more damage. I am not excusing them in any way.
I believe if you don't shoot your mouth off in the first place a lot of problems can be avoided. There is no reason to denigrate others.
Speech is free, but it does have consequences. I have seen many tragedies happen because somebody had a careless mouth on them.
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