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SF crash landing: Latest developments
CNN ^ | 7-6-13 | CNN Staff

Posted on 07/06/2013 2:17:14 PM PDT by smokingfrog

(CNN) - An Asiana Airlines' Boeing 777 crashed and burned Saturday while landing at San Francisco International Airport, sending up a large plume of dark smoke from the aircraft, which lost its tail and much of its roof.

(Excerpt) Read more at cnn.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: aircraft; airline; asiana; asiana214; crash; fl214; flight214; ntsb
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To: squirt

Headline on Yahoo as to passengers:

Asiana flight carried 141 Chinese, 77 South Koreans, 61 U.S. citizens


81 posted on 07/06/2013 6:33:43 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: ebshumidors

Not necessarily. Might have already gone to flare mode. But in this case the ILS g/s was out, so it’s a moot point.

And I don’t remember who brought it up but yes you can do a CAT 3 autoland approach in any weather. The signal may not be protected though.


82 posted on 07/06/2013 6:35:52 PM PDT by zipper ("The Second Amendment IS my carry permit!" -- Ted Nugent)
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To: NautiNurse

In the book “Outliers,” the author has an entire chapter on Korean culture, and how it makes their airlines by far the most dangerous in the world. The copilot won’t so much as suggest a correction lest it shame the pilot.


83 posted on 07/06/2013 6:39:05 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee

Outliers by Malcolm Gladwell

One entire chapter on why Korean airlines are many times more dangerous than others.

http://www.amazon.com/Outliers-Story-Success-Malcolm-Gladwell/dp/0316017930/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1373161168&sr=1-1&keywords=Outliers


84 posted on 07/06/2013 6:41:04 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Fraxinus

“I see a few possibilities”
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Nothing wrong with speculating, but I do not see any of those as a cause. I am not a commercial pilot. I had only a Beach Bonanza, so I comment only as a SEL pilot.
I understand that he had excellent VFR conditions, so the altimeter and your other concerns would be of little consequence, unless he was practicing under a hood...not at all likely. He should have been able to safely land with no instruments at all.
I do not know the runway length, but touching down at the threshold would be quite strange, I would think.
All I can think of is that he was very distracted by something, or a mechanical failure.


85 posted on 07/06/2013 6:50:38 PM PDT by AlexW
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To: NautiNurse

That is exactly what I’ve been wondering. I’m guessing the flight crew didn’t tell passengers they needed to hurry so as not to alarm them. I can’t imagine anyone retrieving their luggage in such a situation otherwise.

If I were behind a bunch of morons holding up the evacuation, I would have lost it. It appears the open area where the tail was missing is sitting flush on the ground. If I had been one of the rear passengers, I would have gone to investigate the gaping hole for a possible exit.


86 posted on 07/06/2013 6:54:30 PM PDT by publana (Beware the olive branch extended by a Dem for it disguises a clenched fist.)
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To: txhurl
>>>Well, bless your heart.

I knew you were from tx before I saw your handle....LOL

87 posted on 07/06/2013 6:57:37 PM PDT by NELSON111
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To: AlexW
He should have been able to safely land with no instruments at all

With no glideslope?

88 posted on 07/06/2013 7:00:10 PM PDT by zipper ("The Second Amendment IS my carry permit!" -- Ted Nugent)
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To: zipper

“With no glideslope?”
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Of course, unless he was in IFR conditions.
I never had a glideslope indicator.
A plane that size, however, may have very poor close in runway viability, causing the pilot to see only quite far ahead. Maybe some ATR pilots on FR can comment on that.


89 posted on 07/06/2013 7:07:48 PM PDT by AlexW
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To: squirt
An American Airlines pilot provided that statistic. Maybe he was embellishing it a bit. on two occasions, fog prevented our SF destined airplane from landing and we were redirected to Oakland.
I found I could get around more quickly out of Oakland and always got a reasonably priced rental car at the terminal. Plus, I was close to Emeryville. I liked to meet customers for lunch at Trader Vic's (now sadly gone) and be positioned to run to the oil refineries the same day.
SF was always questionable.
90 posted on 07/06/2013 7:09:26 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (NRA Life Member)
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To: ken5050
Interesting landing approach. I noticed in that Kai Tak video they took the music score from the 1964 movie "633 Squadron" who flew fast Mosquito bombers.
91 posted on 07/06/2013 7:09:50 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Travis McGee

That attitude was a major contributor to the Tenerife runway collision in 1977. a KLM co-pilot was unwilling to correct the airline’s most senior pilot a second time for the same error.


92 posted on 07/06/2013 7:14:58 PM PDT by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: NELSON111

It translates roughly, say in NJ vernacular, as: ‘how bout you %$#( my #%$& while I &*^% my %(^%& up your %&^%’.

How bout you tend my garden while I brush my chimneybroom up your fireplace. More or less.


93 posted on 07/06/2013 7:19:16 PM PDT by txhurl ('The DOG ate my homework. That homework, too. ALL my homework. OK?' - POSHITUS)
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To: ken5050

That. Is. Nuts.


94 posted on 07/06/2013 7:22:37 PM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory, and He will not be mocked! Blessed be the Name of the Lord forever!)
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To: AlexW

What about an airspeed indicator — isn’t that an instrument?


95 posted on 07/06/2013 8:02:04 PM PDT by zipper ("The Second Amendment IS my carry permit!" -- Ted Nugent)
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To: Mouton

“Long ago, a JapanAir 747 landed short of the runway in the bay at SFO. I think it was in the late 60’s. “

It was a brand new Douglas DC-8 and it landed just inside Coyote Point in very shallow water about a mile from the end of the runway where this current crash occurred. The plane was not damaged mechanically, but before they could remove it whole from the bay, the salt water had made it a total loss.


96 posted on 07/06/2013 8:43:44 PM PDT by vette6387
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To: txhurl
AP via ABC News reports the two fatalities were found outside of the aircraft.
97 posted on 07/06/2013 9:13:20 PM PDT by NautiNurse (Now we all have Obama phones.)
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To: ken5050

Yes I was flying when I was a 16 - 20 year old young gentleman. Sports coat, tie and slacks I was always in awe of those lovely PanAm stews and they took care of me as a young man flying alone to strange destinations. I was on the 001 flight from San Fransisco to Bangkok every year during my teen years and 002 on the way back after a summers visit to be with my parents in Laos. Good times for a young man!

The last time I flew PanAm was in 1991 when I was flying from Miami to Maracabo, Venselula. Gees what an uncivilized change in passenger decorum!


98 posted on 07/06/2013 9:26:01 PM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: Travis McGee

That is total B.S. You have probably never met a Korean have you?


99 posted on 07/06/2013 9:27:37 PM PDT by willk
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To: Red_Devil 232

That would be - Maracaibo, Venezuela


100 posted on 07/06/2013 9:29:51 PM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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