Posted on 07/06/2013 2:17:14 PM PDT by smokingfrog
Headline on Yahoo as to passengers:
Asiana flight carried 141 Chinese, 77 South Koreans, 61 U.S. citizens
Not necessarily. Might have already gone to flare mode. But in this case the ILS g/s was out, so it’s a moot point.
And I don’t remember who brought it up but yes you can do a CAT 3 autoland approach in any weather. The signal may not be protected though.
In the book “Outliers,” the author has an entire chapter on Korean culture, and how it makes their airlines by far the most dangerous in the world. The copilot won’t so much as suggest a correction lest it shame the pilot.
Outliers by Malcolm Gladwell
One entire chapter on why Korean airlines are many times more dangerous than others.
“I see a few possibilities”
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Nothing wrong with speculating, but I do not see any of those as a cause. I am not a commercial pilot. I had only a Beach Bonanza, so I comment only as a SEL pilot.
I understand that he had excellent VFR conditions, so the altimeter and your other concerns would be of little consequence, unless he was practicing under a hood...not at all likely. He should have been able to safely land with no instruments at all.
I do not know the runway length, but touching down at the threshold would be quite strange, I would think.
All I can think of is that he was very distracted by something, or a mechanical failure.
That is exactly what I’ve been wondering. I’m guessing the flight crew didn’t tell passengers they needed to hurry so as not to alarm them. I can’t imagine anyone retrieving their luggage in such a situation otherwise.
If I were behind a bunch of morons holding up the evacuation, I would have lost it. It appears the open area where the tail was missing is sitting flush on the ground. If I had been one of the rear passengers, I would have gone to investigate the gaping hole for a possible exit.
I knew you were from tx before I saw your handle....LOL
With no glideslope?
“With no glideslope?”
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Of course, unless he was in IFR conditions.
I never had a glideslope indicator.
A plane that size, however, may have very poor close in runway viability, causing the pilot to see only quite far ahead. Maybe some ATR pilots on FR can comment on that.
That attitude was a major contributor to the Tenerife runway collision in 1977. a KLM co-pilot was unwilling to correct the airline’s most senior pilot a second time for the same error.
It translates roughly, say in NJ vernacular, as: ‘how bout you %$#( my #%$& while I &*^% my %(^%& up your %&^%’.
How bout you tend my garden while I brush my chimneybroom up your fireplace. More or less.
That. Is. Nuts.
What about an airspeed indicator — isn’t that an instrument?
“Long ago, a JapanAir 747 landed short of the runway in the bay at SFO. I think it was in the late 60’s. “
It was a brand new Douglas DC-8 and it landed just inside Coyote Point in very shallow water about a mile from the end of the runway where this current crash occurred. The plane was not damaged mechanically, but before they could remove it whole from the bay, the salt water had made it a total loss.
Yes I was flying when I was a 16 - 20 year old young gentleman. Sports coat, tie and slacks I was always in awe of those lovely PanAm stews and they took care of me as a young man flying alone to strange destinations. I was on the 001 flight from San Fransisco to Bangkok every year during my teen years and 002 on the way back after a summers visit to be with my parents in Laos. Good times for a young man!
The last time I flew PanAm was in 1991 when I was flying from Miami to Maracabo, Venselula. Gees what an uncivilized change in passenger decorum!
That is total B.S. You have probably never met a Korean have you?
That would be - Maracaibo, Venezuela
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