Posted on 07/05/2013 3:32:51 PM PDT by DariusBane
Video:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=9e3_1373034153
If you think DWI checkpoints are Constitutional, in your interest, and somehow supportive of your rights, then yes, you're on the wrong website.
The only litmus test around here is support for Constitutional rights and personal liberty.
Your worldview seems (in this short exchange) to fall short of those ideals.
ah, finally a defender.
Cops think they are entitled to manufacture probable cause. They are not.
Take your anti 4th amendment mentality and go! Begone! Back to DU with you! Begone vile Stalinist Devil, I release thee!
Crawl back into your risk adverse hell!
People can’t have different opinions on this website?
I wouldn’t presume to tell you what to think.
I would presume to tell you when you’re on the side of the people promoting Obamacare, Gun Confiscation, Onerous Taxation and the suppression of your Constitutional rights.
But don’t take my word for it; look into it yourself.
Everybody starts somewhere.
Are you telling me that I’m not a conservative?
To be more serious:
1. I am not OK with the gubment treating citizens as guilty criminals who must PROVE innocence. That is wrong wrong wrong. It is un-American, it is counter to our culture.
2. The cops where very used to manufacturing probable cause where none exists. It is a game to them. It is a game because for them, the consequence of violating a Constitutional provision is nothing. At the worst, a lost conviction. They get off too easy. For a citizen, every time you come in contact with LE, you are at grave risk of arrest. It is far to easy, it is habitual for them to control, incarcerate, bully. It is wrong.
3. The citizen has no obligation to speak to Law Enforcement. You don’t have to say a word, you don’t have to answer any question. You don’t have to roll down your window any further than you want to. It will get you into trouble on the street, but not in the court, unless the cops plant something on you.
4. It is despicable that anybody can watch this and think it is OK, normal, standard, routine. It is routine. But it is very wrong. Cops should be ashamed of their profession and get out. But thugs with no other skills will always trade self respect and dignity for a pay check.
In summary, too many cops, too much money, too much time on their hands. But it is the fault of citizens who demand more police presence and are willing to pay for it. Citizens demand Police because they expect safety to be guaranteed. On this Earth, nothing is guaranteed. But most demand risk be transferred to others because they are COWARDS!
Thats a nice story. Always a reason to tighten the vice on the innocent to catch the guilty? I am sorry for your loss but in this world NOTHING is guaranteed. Not your life, not your fortune.
If you are willing to trade your liberty for the illusion of safety you are a coward.
To expand on my answer, this is a Constitutional question, not a heart issue.
1. The driver exerted his 5th Amendment right against self incrimination.
2. The Officer knew that invoking the 5th amendment cannot be grounds for probable cause. ( The privilege against self-incrimination serves as a protection to the innocent, as well as to the guilty, and we have been admonished that it should be given a liberal application. Hoffman v. United States)
3. The “crew” working the checkpoint did not even have to communicate intent. The K-9 officer knew his job was to provide probable cause. It made no matter that the K-9 officer knew he was falsifying probable cause. He did not even have to be asked.
So your tax dollars and mine are used to destroy the Constitution. But that’s ok with you? Shame on you.
When a crew of officers subvert the law, and believe me if it had come to a court case, they would have provided false testimony under oath the worst thing that can happen to the officers is they lose the conviction. Shame on you.
For a citizen, when faced with corrupt Police he risks everything. Reputation, job, perhaps marriage. But you are ok with this? Shame on you.
This is not an isolated incident. This is SOP all over the country. It is accepted as a game, and is part of training for LEO to subvert the 4th Amendment, and the 5th. They do it because they can. They do it because people like you turn a blind eye. People like you demand a transfer of risk and don’t care how they get it. Shame on you.
No, but he seems to think I should.
Oh “shame on me” and “I’m a coward”, yet if DWI checkpoints are so unconstitutional why haven’t YOU challenged them in court, or would that actually mean you’d have to get off your ass and actually do something other then posting a video and yelling at people with opposing viewpoints? Meanwhile, if a drunk driver hits you or you crash while drunk, the same evil police officers, firefighters and medics that all work together will try to save your life regardless. It’s so easy to show a video of some police officers perhaps abusing their power, when thousands help people everyday.
He was locked up. But then this thing called “time” passes by and he was released. Each of those times he may have killed some one if not removed from the road. He wasn’t caught at 6 different checkpoints on one night, this was over probably a 4 year span.
He now has no license and no car. He knows if caught again he’s going to serve real time. He works as a school night custodian so he can walk to work. It’s a small town, everyone knows his story.
I can’t “get off my ass” and challenge them because I have a job and three kids and no standing to challenge them.
I didn’t say that checkpoints are unconstitutional. In fact, 9 political appointees in black robes have upheld the idea. They also upheld Obama care by the way.
This video is a Constitutional issue concerning the 4th and 5th Amendments, and a governing philosophy issue. The video is illustrative of why giving strangers power over your life is always dangerous. Those cops were very skilled at subverting the Constitution. Probable joke and smoke about it at the donut shop.
Citizens who want big gubment, and want to transfer and manage risk on the backs of others demand strong Police powers. Citizens who want small gubment, and a realistic acceptance of risk make no demands for enhanced Police powers.
If all the cops did was try to save lives and protect property then I have no problem with them. However, apparently too many have time to man check points and shoot dogs. When making a property theft complaint these hero’s just don’t give a crap because it costs money to pursue property crimes. Now DUI, seat belt, tail light out, B.S. like that PAYS bucks. So hence the priorities.
I do vote to de-fund the Police and give the money to the fire department at every opportunity. Hell I have never met a fire department guy I didn’t like. The LEO’s I have met are about 30% good guys, 70% jackasses with control issues.
Law Enforcement should be working to regain the trust they have lost. I don’t have to do anything but assert my Constitutional rights at every opportunity and encourage and educate others to do the same.
Buddy, a LOT of people are perfectly fine to drive when "under the influence" as defined by the machine, and there's no "thinks" about it. It is just plain fact. So you have productive, responsible, useful, valuable people such as nurses, doctors, and pilots, who risk ruined careers for having a perfectly SAFE and SANE three glasses of wine with dinner or at a party, and who get beind the wheel while they are in a perfectly SAFE state, yet if they are stopped at a checkpoint (the ONLY way the'd be stopped, as their ability to drive is unimpaired and exactly as capable as the driving of say, someone like me who doesn't drink at all) and given a breathalizer whose reading displays a particular number, may lose their careers.
Please understand that you are a Nazi statist, MacMattic, and have zero place claiming that you are a conservative.
And also yes, MacMatt, if you think DWI checkpoints are Constitutional and in your interests, you are an enemy of conservatism and freedom.
If you want to get some standing, go find a checkpoint and drive through it. (ha just kidding)
Sorry about the "get off your ass" comment, I'm tired and cranky. Any guy that works to support his family "Gets off his ass". Sorry if you didn't say checkpoints were Unconstitutional, others have on this thread and have pointed to the video you posted. And I've been told I don't belong here after about 9 years of posting and working for Conservative and 2nd Amendment Rights. I don't give up my liberties lightly either, but with a husband who has been a city firefighter for close to twenty years I may see some things differently. I don't mind debate but what seems like personal attacks p*** me off. I'm not saying from you, but others on your thread.
So have a good night, and I'll do the same.
Sounds like I hit a nerve. What’s on tap tonight?
Indeed you hit a nerve -- people of your mindset are my enemies.
Gee, looking back you are the one that tried to tell me to go to DU and implied I was a coward. I guess it only took you about 20-30 (I’m not counting) posts to write a cohesive, rational argument that even contradicts a few other things you said earlier. So be it.
But just to let you know, when you said to me you didn’t think checkpoints are unconstitutional that many poster on your own thread now think YOU are a sellout and don’t belong here and that you don’t care about the Constitution at all.
And you’ve read all my posts so closely that you don’t even know I’m not a “him”. If I’m your enemy, things are only going to get much worse for you because I’m about as conservative as they come. And you saying otherwise doesn’t change a thing. You really think people who fail a breathalyzer should just be allowed to drive off?
I reckon I’d better get hold of a couple of little video cameras so that I can protect myself later if necessary.
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