Posted on 06/30/2013 10:21:04 AM PDT by Deadeye Division
If the Cops ran a “Conservative” check point, they would be praised to the skies!
However, we find it is possible to address large bodies of the U. S. public to achieve results when they want to.
Do you know who played the hippies in that movie? It was a bunch of the guys from the original Chicago.
There is a piece of entrapment in this, but it is not as bad as what is commonly allowed, as I see it.
For example, if the cops see a car pull a handbrake turn and screech into an illegal U-turn over the median 100 yds after the sign....that’s IMO voluntary VERY suspicious behavior.
We see cops placing ads in newspaper with lists of the names of wanted felons (or fugitives or arrest warrants) as lottery winners...and such spoofs inevitably results in some very low cost arrests. And....we laugh at those, do we not? How is this different than such a spoof? [answering my own question] Existing warrants are existing, this is “fishing”.
I’m not defending nor attacking here, just discussing.
There’s no question that the suspicious behavior that will become the stop & request to search premise is cop-induced. I guess for me, the piece of criticality is how the searches are conducted. If they are conducted under duress, then that’s already illegal (not that it isn’t done)
And Tennessee and some Southern State cops are fanatical about seizing any amounts of cash they find over pocket money amounts.
I see this tactic on I-70 in Missouri. They put the sign up right before an exit in a rural area that has no services, then wait for vehicles that suddenly exit.
It just feels to me that law enforcement has the wrong priorities a lot of the time if the goal is actual public safety. Just how many unsolved murders are there in the state of Ohio, for example?
The Uniform Crime Report from the FBI in 2011 says Ohio reported 513 criminal (non-justified) homicides. And we know in America that less than 2/3rds of murders are ever solved. So every single year, Ohio accumulates another 175 or so unsolved slayings. I don’t mean to pick on Ohio; it’s the same in other states.
You’d think that getting MURDERERS off the streets would be a high priority, but in practice, it takes a backseat to all kinds of other revenue enforcement nonsense. The focus here in Ohio seems inappropriate when there are much more pressing concerns, like several THOUSAND unsolved killings over the past couple decades.
Sure, maybe one of these checkpoints will catch a murder suspect by accident, but that’s a slender reed at best.
A real pain-in-the-a$$ kind of guy, utilizing today’s modern cell phone technology (read: Flash Mob) could do a bit of their own fakery.
Enlist the flash mob to “act suspiciously” and tie up all of the available cops. Do this repeatedly. Of course, you would need to be “clean”. You could also instruct ALL of them to refuse to allow the cops to execute a “search”...
Always liked side two of Chicago VII. I think I still have my vinyl copy with the pseudo-leather-tooled cover.
Nope, not even close.
In your scenario, the police are lying to motorists in order to get them to break the law.
In the scenario present in the article, the police are lying to motorist to observe them and see if they engage in suspicion behavior leading to probable cause to stop them. Police are not encouraging illegal activity in this case.
Although I am not a huge fan of this tactic, it is nothing like the scenario you describe.
When the victim is the arrestee / defendant, there is no crime.
I’ve met Peters a couple of times. He was interviewing a good friend of mine on his show. I called up just to goof on them. Hilarious. He’s a good guy.
Police will do anything to trash the US Constitution. There is nothing they despise more, unless they are the ones in trouble.
Police waiting for motorists to react suspiciously after seeing the signs.
LOL bet they have the best you tube material yet.
“He spent 26 years in sales and marketing for Warner Bros. Records, owns a music label, hosts a heavy metal radio show at John Carroll University and is an ardent promoter of local talent. Despite his background in a business where drugs are de rigueur, Peters insists he has never inhaled. “
He can say what he wants, but the picture of him doesn’t lie. He’s very lucky he didn’t have anything on him that day.
"They can lie to anybody," Simmons said.
Another example of something that may be legal, but still isn't a good idea. If the public comes to believe that the police are frequently lying to them, then the public is much less likely to support the police either politically or personally. After all, if they are lying about the checkpoint they might also be lying about their need for new equipment, or a pension, or what a reasonable salary for them would be. And that certainly doesn't help politically.
Moreover, successful police operations depend on the support of the community. If you alienate the community by lying to them, then you can lose the access to information necessary for successful policing.
It may turn out that it isn't illegal for anyone to lie about checkpoints ahead. That might provide a new source of amusement for radio hosts, revenue for temporary sign makers, and even a way to get more traffic to your diner.
How about some fake “Immigration checkpoint” signs ahead?
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