Posted on 06/23/2013 1:16:21 PM PDT by redreno
Should bakers and other vendors be allowed to refuse service to gays and lesbians, specifically when it comes to marital ceremonies? “No,” argues one gay couple who have filed a discrimination complaint against a Colorado baker who refused to provide them with a wedding cake.
Masterpiece Cakeshop, owned by Jack Phillips and based near Denver, Colorado, is at the center of the dispute after David Mullins and Charlie Craig attempted to order the baked good from the business last summer.
Phillips, declining to provide service after learning of the couple’s sexuality, cited his Christian beliefs. But Mullins and Craig aren’t accepting Biblical arguments as a viable basis for the refusal.
(Excerpt) Read more at theblaze.com ...
You miss an essential point about business: if you offer a high end product, it hurts your reputation when what you supply is shoddy.
If Colorado laws forbids refusal of a business service based on 'sexual preference' of the potential customer, as in the Masterpiece Bakeshop case, the bakery owners can be charged and fined. However, as The Blaze article points out, Americans have a constitutional right to the practice of their religion. The bakery refusing to bake a 'wedding' cake for a same-sex couple may be technically discriminatory but the real point here is to force acceptance of homosexuality down the throats of those who reject it and make the supposed 'right' of homosexual men or women trump that of those who disagree with their choices on religious grounds.
This was likely a well planned set-up as in a city like Denver, there must be plenty of bakeries that would make a wedding cake for anyone who had the cash. The cake isn't the point. Making homosexual behavior 'mainstream', by force, is. This should be interesting when gays try to force a Muslim business to service them in a way clearly connected to their homosexuality. Oh, wait, they won't. Muslims will burn your house down if you dare offend 'allah'. Christians politely refuse and face the legal consequences. Meanwhile, Americans keep having their individual rights abridged, by law. In the distant future, historians will have a field day examining the decline and eventually demise of America. This case may be an example.
I would have quoted the gays a very high price with payment in advance. If they still wanted it I would bake it for the twerps because the little greed heads are cruising for a lawsuit anyway
Brothers and sisters, the time is coming when we may actually have to suffer for the faith. Christians have had it very easy in this country until now. We may have to put some skin in the game. “A religion now worth dying for, is not a religion worth living for.” We may have to endure government persecution with acts of civil disobedience as the martyrs did in early Christianity. Most of all refrain from violence. We are not Muslims.
We have to be careful about saying someone doesn’t have the right to refuse business.
I’m a freelance writer, among other things. I’ve been asked to write copy for adult products and synthetic marijuana. I’ve refused. Was offered a higher pay rate. I refused, citing my religious beliefs. They found someone else to write it. Given rulings like this, do I lose the right to refuse work?
Well, Paula Dern just ‘lost’ her job with one of the reasons being she was planning or had planned a wedding on a plantation ala 1800’s and she had planned on being periodical.
The much ballyhooed “Slave Museum” in Fredricksburg VA was told it couldn’t have ‘slave quarters’ or depict ‘slave auctions’. They had so many ‘restrictions’ thrown on them that it finally went bankrupt. AND Blacks were running it. (Former Gov Wilder).
Imagine if I went into a Black bakery(?) and ordered a cake with a ‘Tom Sawyer’ theme, don’t even think ‘Tar Baby’ or any ‘Uncle Remus’ themes....
They have got it so that if, in the work place, you compliment a woman on her hairdo, dress or demeanor you may be charged with Sexual Harassment - you know, because he said it ‘that’ way.
If you say nothing other than the good morning or goodbye in the evening, they can charge you with running an unfriendly, hostile work place.
The WHINERS have won and Bizzarro World is firmly entrenched.
The correct approach is to simply do a bad job of it. Good example of 'bad job' is to bake it 2 days ahead of schedule and apply 2 layers of icing (or maybe a week ahead ~ there are experts in this who know what it takes).
That harms no one ~ but the cake will achieve a consistency similar to cardboard near the surface. Demand a significant advance deposit, in cash.
Nemoque, regarding your last point you are probably right but I guess I hate the idea. Why as a Christian can I not fight? Why do I have to just get arrested?
I do agree that is probably what Christ would say, no violence, but it just doesn’t sit well with me. Nor does it make me feel better for my family.
Again, not arguing your point.
Demand a significant advance deposit, in cash.
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Maybe, but do that and you had better do it to all.
No different than not selling a house because the prospective buyers are ____________________ Fill in the blanks.
(other than White, Christian, Straights— they are fair game and you can take out ALL your frustrations on them).
how about quoting a very high price (assuming that the prices are not published already and fixed), then outsource the baking to another bakery that is homo-friendly.
I understand that.But we're talking about a single case.Another beautiful aspect of my plan is that the word would spread like wildfire in the local *pervert* community but might show up as a single complaint on "Angie's List".So,to the general community you say "ooops,sorry...nobody's perfect" while the pervert community would never darken your door again.
That’s what I don’t understand. A private business should be able to market to any group they want. If enough people don’t like it and take their business elsewhere then that’s the natural consequence. I don’t understand why some women made a big stink and demanded to be able to join men’s clubs. Personally, I wouldn’t want to spend my money where I’m not wanted.
It sounds like they deliberately targeted that business—undoubtedly they could have found another bakery that would accommodate them. Something very similar happened recently in the Portland, Oregon, area and was discussed here.
you can ask anyone you want for a large deposit ~ it’s a common practice in the cake racket
Jail.
Thought crime.
Welcome to the USA, 2013.
you can ask anyone you want for a large deposit ~ it’s a common practice in the cake racket
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True..but in this ‘tort driven society’ some lawyer will figure out a pattern etc...
Like if I do ALL the driveways in your neighborhood and demand deposits from some but not all I am in for ‘trouble’. Especially if one I ‘demand’ a deposit from is a Minority, Single Female, Same Type Couple, etc...
Now if I were to pick YOU out I could get away with saying you had a ‘bad track record’ and I didn’t ‘like your looks’, and since you are a white, straight male I would be okay. <: <: <:
” there are experts in this who know what it takes”
Subcontract the cake to the least expensive bakery in town.
The Gestapobama strikes.
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