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'Days Of Rambo Are Over': Pentagon Details Women's Move To Combat
npr.org ^ | June 18, 2013 | Bill Chappell

Posted on 06/23/2013 4:17:34 AM PDT by Tailgunner Joe

Women in America's armed services will have new options for what units they can join in coming years, the Pentagon says. The military said in January that it will end its combat exclusion that set a minimum size for units in which women could be deployed; the limit kept many women away from front-line combat units. The shift means women could join elite forces such as the Army Rangers and Navy SEALs.

Depending on the job, women could begin training to join combat units in the next one to three years, according to several military officers who spoke at a Pentagon briefing Tuesday afternoon. Integration into special forces units is expected to take the longest.

"The days of Rambo are over," said Maj. Gen. Sacolick, of the U.S. Special Operations Command Force Management Directorate. Noting that special operations groups are looking for people who can learn other languages and be deployed in a variety of situations, he added, "The defining characteristic of our operators is their intellect."

The change is expected to come slowly, with women not expected to begin training to join ground front-line combat units until at least 2014 or later. Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel has set a deadline of Jan. 1, 2016 for all positions to be open. Neither Hagel nor the top-ranking officers in military's branches attended Tuesday's media briefing.

Branches of the service are developing gender-neutral tests that will be tailored to their units, and they may request a special exception to the policy shift if they find that their female members can't perform the duties of a specific job.

For instance, Marine Lt. Col. Jon M. Aytes spoke of a scenario in which a woman in an armored unit would be expected to be able to reload a 55-pound shell into the gun's breach, with little opportunity for leverage.

When asked later if the military would develop separate standards for men and women, Aytes and the other officers said no. Aytes noted that tanks don't have one rack of shells for men, and another for women.

In the case of special operations, men who are already serving in those units will be given a survey that's designed to gauge how they feel about women joining their ranks. It will also analyze "the social science impacts... of integrating women into small, elite teams that operate in remote, austere environments," according to the submitted in March.

"At this point, no decisions have been made," Gen. Sacolick said, of how women might be integrated into the Rangers, SEALS, Marine Special Operators, and other units. "Let me make that clear: No decisions have been made."

Saying that he had spoken to colleagues at other services about the matter, Sacolick added, "I can assure you, we are not predisposed to any course of action."

The major challenge, Sacolick says, is not how the female service members might perform on physical tests — he said he had been impressed by the physical abilities of female recruits. Instead, the largest hurdle could be handling the social and cultural changes, he said.

The news comes months after the Army, Navy, Air Force, and Marines submitted their plans for including women in ground combat positions. As , the change could "open up more than 200,000 positions in the military" to women.

"I remain confident that we will retain the trust and confidence of the American people by opening positions to women, while ensuring that all members entering these newly opened positions can meet the standards required to maintain our warfighting capability," in May, after the branches of the service had submitted their plans. He told them, "I appreciate your efforts to methodically and deliberately remove gender-restrictive barriers."


TOPICS: Government
KEYWORDS: airforce; army; communism; communists; democrats; feminazy; feminism; military; navy; obama; seals
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To: Pollster1

If this regime is getting that communist they have to learn from communist on the subject too.
Soviets evaluated women in every possible combat role during WWII and it proved to be a useless waste of human lives (even by communist standard!) to put them in infantry.
In fact they fond women as able warriors in air force only.
And up to this day women are banned from any Russian warship.


41 posted on 06/23/2013 7:47:28 AM PDT by cunning_fish
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To: cunning_fish

Funny how the Russians get it, and we don’t.


42 posted on 06/23/2013 7:49:29 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: cunning_fish

If there’s one thing we learn from history, it’s that we don’t learn from history. In particular, communists never learn from the failures of communism. They don’t just believe they are smarter than us, which is why they think they deserve to run our lives for us for our own good, they believe they’re smarter than the commies who came before them.


43 posted on 06/23/2013 7:58:01 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe; SunkenCiv

Hey, I saw the movie but didn’t know it was one of those docuhistory thingees. The Days of Demi are in sight.

Many traditionalists will bemoan this development as the ruination of special ops forces—but consider this:

Science has shown that women in close contact somehow seem to synchronize their menstrual cycles.

Imagine if you will a special combat team made up entirely of female Seals, all of whom are experiencing PMS at the same time. It would almost be a war crime, against all norms of civilized warfare, to send them out to unleash mayhem on hapless opposing armies of males.

“Do I look fat to you, MF”


44 posted on 06/23/2013 8:12:33 AM PDT by wildbill (You're just jealous because the Voices talk only to me.)
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To: wildbill
Imagine if you will a special combat team made up entirely of female Seals, all of whom are experiencing PMS at the same time. It would almost be a war crime, against all norms of civilized warfare, to send them out to unleash mayhem on hapless opposing armies of males.

Rush Limbaugh's All-American First Cavalry Amazon Battalion.

45 posted on 06/23/2013 8:13:29 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Pollster1
A couple of last photos are actually about consequences of militant feminism vs trained male soldiers.
46 posted on 06/23/2013 9:06:36 AM PDT by cunning_fish
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To: Chode

Well - then someone has reallllllly gooooood genes!


47 posted on 06/23/2013 9:40:26 AM PDT by BCW (http://babylonscovertwar.com/index.html - A real life experience book about the war in Iraq)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

I have supported the military all my life. My family has served in the military in this country before it was the United States, and we have served in every war this country has ever been engaged. I, too, served in Vietnam and Gulf War 1. So what I am about to say is difficult. I would never serve in this country’s military today, nor would I encourage any of my family or friends to serve. I have mixed feelings when it comes to those now serving. I no longer feel a sense of pride, nor do I have the same level respect for those now serving that I used to have. I do not understand how they can still be a part of military.


48 posted on 06/23/2013 2:37:03 PM PDT by Nemoque
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To: Tailgunner Joe
How about trying an experiment first, All the Military academies have football teams so let us integrate the football teams with a percentage of woman that attend the school. After all it is said that Football is the closest thing to war without Death as the end result. Lets just see how many women can make it through a season. I know it will never happen because as in any sport the object is to win and any team with woman on it is at a serious disadvantage!You can't fool Mother Nature.
49 posted on 06/26/2013 10:44:41 AM PDT by ABN 505
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