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1 posted on 06/17/2013 10:26:16 AM PDT by jazusamo
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2 posted on 06/17/2013 10:27:36 AM PDT by jazusamo ("Mercy to the guilty is cruelty to the innocent." -- Adam Smith)
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Moreover, Congressional oversight by members of both political parties limits what Barack Obama or any other president can get away with.

Even the greatest minds trip over their own feet occasionally.

4 posted on 06/17/2013 10:39:47 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I am a dissident. Will you join me? My name is John....)
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....in order to loose it, you have to first gain it. He’s done everything possible to make sure he never deserved it.


5 posted on 06/17/2013 10:40:37 AM PDT by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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They could not possibly be using the data to track terrorists. If they were, they would have thwarted the Boston bombing.


7 posted on 06/17/2013 10:48:48 AM PDT by originalbuckeye (Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy)
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“When Barack Obama squanders his own credibility with his glib lies, he is not just injuring himself during his time in office. He is inflicting a lasting wound on the country as a whole.”

This is a good message, but I’m trouble by some of the other views in the article. A VERY rare occurrence for Sowell.

Incidentally, if tapping our phones could lead to a 1% reduction of the highway fatality rate, would most people accept it? Of course not. How about preventing a 9-11 every 10 years? Of course (to many)! But the lives saved is quite the same. Think about it.


8 posted on 06/17/2013 10:49:32 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Universal Background Check -> Registration -> Confiscation -> Oppression -> Extermination)
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Sorry Dr. Sowell, the 4th does not get stripped by any ‘national security’....as if Big Gov’t were actively trying to protect We the People to begin (see open Southern Border, current RoE for troops, Boston bombing, etc.).

Come back to the starting line and try making a case again.


10 posted on 06/17/2013 10:53:11 AM PDT by i_robot73 (We hold that all individuals have the Right to exercise sole dominion over their own lives - LP.org)
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Sowell’s argument begs the question. He assumes that the surveillance state protected us. He argues that the govt can’t talk about its successes. Maybe not, but it’s failures, e.g. Boston Marathon, stand out in stark relief. Furthermore, the govt attempted to justify itself, only to have its claim blown out of the water within minutes, as usual by foreign newspapers, not US.

Sowell is wrong on this one.

Also see http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/06/16/snowden-whistleblower-nsa-officials-roundtable/2428809/


11 posted on 06/17/2013 10:56:35 AM PDT by Chaguito
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I am of the Opinion that Barack Hussein Obama WANTS TO destroy the countrey- I think the brilliant Dr. Sowell has not yet accepted that 100%. This is what causes me to differ on this article with him.

A great and saintly man in charge of a socialist government could possibly make it work, only by being and doing God’s work. (REAL God’s work- not the made-up feel-good give me your money and let me spend it liberal type of work)

But an evil man in charge of capitalism can only make it fail on purpose.


16 posted on 06/17/2013 11:19:54 AM PDT by Mr. K (There are lies, damned lies, statistics, and democrat talking points.)
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The 4th isn’t optional.


18 posted on 06/17/2013 11:39:58 AM PDT by DB
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Et Tu, Dr. Sowell?

Are we all so spoiled that we cannot enforce the Constitution?

Our safety is not guaranteed by phone tapping.

Our safety is not guaranteed by the Constitution, for that matter.

We have a right to privacy.

Are the families of the World Trade Center bombing more equal?

Are they the new arbitors of legality?

What do they know?


19 posted on 06/17/2013 11:52:54 AM PDT by stanne
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A disappointing column from Sowell.


21 posted on 06/17/2013 12:00:38 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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Obama summer vacation 1980: No doubt about it. He stayed in California the whole time. He did not return to Hawaii. This was the summer after his first year at Occidental in California, 1979-1980.
Importance: If Obama stayed in California that whole summer of 1980, then there was no way for him to fill out his Selective Service form on July 29, 1980 in Hawaii. Somebody else did it.

A forgery. If Obama knew that someone else filled out the form, then that is fraud and Obama is a liar, and he should be impeached

How did I come to my conclusion that Obama stayed in California? I studied an article written in 2009 about Obama’s friends at Occidental in California his freshman year.

A poster here recently suggested that we read it.

(NOTE: According to google, Red Steel at Free Republic quoted the entire article on May 15, 2008.)

I will not quote the whole article here.

I will quote those parts that show that Obama’ 1980 Selective Service form that we see on the internet is a forgery and those parts that show that Obama was in California the entire summer of 1980.

cbs AP/ June 18, 2009, 6:26 PM

Recalling Obama’s Younger Days

“Obama in the eyes of some right wingers is basically Muslim until proved innocent,” says Margot Mifflin, a friend from Occidental who is now a journalism professor at New York's Lehman College. “It's partly the Muslim factor by association and partly the fear of something being twisted.” The young man Mifflin remembers was “an unpretentious, down to earth, solidly middle-class guy who seemed somewhat more sophisticated than the average college student. He was slightly reserved and deliberate in a way that I sometimes thought betrayed an uncertainty.”

But another former Oxy classmate, Robert McCrary, now general manager of a contract sewing company, saw him differently: “He definitely had a cocky, sometimes arrogant way about him. ... He was not open to others.” Of course, he was only 18 when he arrived at the small liberal arts college nicknamed “Oxy.”

His freshman roommates were Imad Husain, a Pakistani, who's now a Boston banker, and Paul Carpenter, now a Los Angeles lawyer. Carpenter recalled Obama as “a good bodysurfer” who had “a funky red car, a Fiat,” and who also played intramurals &- flag football, tennis and water polo. “He was an athletic guy. He was gifted in that regard,” said Carpenter. He also remembered Obama being “super bright. He could get through the course work in a fraction of the time it took me.”

Obama had an international circle of friends - “a real eclectic sort of group,” says Vinai Thummalapally, who himself came from Hyderabad, India.

As a freshman, he quickly became friends with Mohammed Hasan Chandoo and Wahid Hamid, two wealthy Pakistanis. There were others, Thummalapally recalls: a French student and both black and white Americans, including Jon K. Mitchell, who later played bass for country-swing band Asleep at the Wheel (Mitchell remembers that Obama wore puka shell necklaces all the time, though they were not in style, and that “we let it slide because he spent a lot of time growing up in Hawaii.”)

The friends got together often to watch basketball games - they were Lakers fans - and eat the southern Indian food that Thummalapally cooked with his cousin.

There was serious talk, too. Obama had concerns about U.S. foreign policy - including the failed hostage rescue mission in Iran under Jimmy Carter, and American support of the Contras in Latin America.

Thummalapally lived with Obama the summer of 1980. The two ran together daily, three miles in the early morning, often chatting about their dreams. Thummalapally wanted to start a business back home; Obama talked about helping people.

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1. Obama drove a red Fiat at Occidental. This means that Obama had eiher an Hawaiian or California license in 1979-1980, unless he was driving around Southern California without a license during that period.

2. Importance of Obama driver license: The person who filled out Obama’s Selective Service form in Hawaii on July 29,1980 had no identification: No Social Security card. No driver's license. no Occidental id card. Strange.

3. “ Thummalapally lived with Obama the summer of 1980. The two ran together daily, three miles in the early morning, often chatting about their dreams. Thummalapally wanted to start a business back home; Obama talked about helping people.”

Thummalapally: Anyone know where he is today? He obviously knows if Obama visited Hawaii in the summer 1980, because he lived with Obama during the summer of 1980.

4. Lived together and ran together daily.....not in Hawaii, but IN CALIFORNIA!

5. No mention of Obama going back to Hawaii. Can't be much clearer than that: Obama was in California for the entire summer of 1980, so there was no way for him to have filled out his Selective Service form on July 29, 1980. Someone else must have done it for him.

What about girls in Southern California at that time? I bet there are plenty women today who remember Obama being in Southern California during the summer of 1980, some of whom must have visited Obama at his apartment. Where are you? Be brave and tell us what you know.

What about local bars and restaurants? I bet obama and his friends visited some of them in Southern California during the summer of 1980.

If you remember Obama frequenting restaurants and bars in Southern California during the summer of 1980, let us know. Speak up as a brave citizen of the United States who wants to do what is right.

6. What I also found impressive about the article was this: The wealth of names from Obama'sOccidental days who would know how Obama spent his summer of 1980, especially when there is no record of Obama holding a job from his first day at Occidental until he graduated from Columbia 4 years later.

Are we to blindly and naively accept the idea that Obama supported himself during his 4 years in college simply with college loan money and some mysterious scholarships, scholarships that no one can find anything about? Give me a break.

7. The names of Obama friends from Occidental in the article are below. Investigators and reporters should put pressure on these people to tell us where Obama was during that summer of 1980. These friends can't hide behind federal privacy laws like Obama can.

Paul Carpenter, freshman roommate,Los Angeles Lawyer

Mohammed Hasan Chandroo

Wahid Hamid

Imad Hussain, freshman roommate, Boston banker

Robert McCrary

Margot Miffin, professor, Lehman college, New York

Jon R. Mitchell, later country band member

Andrew Roth

Vinai Thummalapally from Hyderabad, India; lived with Obama during summer of 1980

8. Hawaii summer 1980: If none of the people above can put Obama in Hawaii on July 29, 1980 when his Selective Service form was filled out, then Obama is a fraud and a liar and needs to be impeached.



22 posted on 06/17/2013 12:13:36 PM PDT by john mirse
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It’s not trust, not anymore.

We sincerely believe that Obama, Holder, Umma et. al. are in fact WORKING FOR THE OTHER SIDE (name your issue, it doesn’t matter).


23 posted on 06/17/2013 12:21:36 PM PDT by Flintlock ("The redcoats are coming" -- TO SEIZE OUR GUNS!!--Paul Revere)
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It’s not trust, not anymore.

We sincerely believe that Obama, Holder, Umma et. al. are in fact WORKING FOR THE OTHER SIDE (name your issue, it doesn’t matter).


24 posted on 06/17/2013 12:31:17 PM PDT by Flintlock ("The redcoats are coming" -- TO SEIZE OUR GUNS!!--Paul Revere)
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If Obama was not president and there was not a Democrat criminal enterprise running the IRS and treacherously implementing tyranny, The NSA might be trusted.

It is not the NSA that is bad, it is the tyrants


27 posted on 06/17/2013 2:26:32 PM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Who will shoot Liberty Valence?)
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makes weighing the costs and benefits of the NSA program itself hard to assess.

This is the first time in my life I have disagreed with Thomas Sowell. Actually, it is not disagreement but a confusing of the issue.

These extraordinary powers are for the expressed purpose of protecting us from terrorist attacks. Trusting the politicians not to abuse the extraordinary powers is just as it appears, foolish.

Loving one’s country is patriotic … trusting one’s government is just plain foolish.

29 posted on 06/17/2013 4:00:02 PM PDT by MosesKnows (Love many, trust few, and always paddle your own canoe.)
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A good mind can argue their points well and with conviction.
An agile mind can argue the points of either side well and with conviction.

A great mind can argue the truth well and with conviction.
32 posted on 06/17/2013 5:13:39 PM PDT by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus sum -- "The Taliban is inside the building")
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What trust? I never had any trust in this administration from the get-go, and the only reason the left gives a damn now is because it’s their ox that got gored. If it had only been conservatives, they’d be cheering him on-as a matter of fact, when the IRS scandal first broke and it was just conservatives at the start, the left was yukking it up over the spying and intrusion, until they realised that one of their own-AP-had also been hit. I’m yukking it up now that they were so biased and stupid as to ever believe Hussein’s lying blather about “the most transparent administration ever”. Hahahahaha.


41 posted on 06/19/2013 9:48:01 AM PDT by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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